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Old 13th Jan 2009, 08:50
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The council ended up having to buy it for over £100 million cause no businessess would go into it because of the airport - hardly good for jobs in Newham then.There is a curfew on flights.Its a law. It needs to be respected.
There are lots of stupid laws, in my opinion this is one. I am allowed to express my opinion, please repect that. The UK has been snowed under by more legislation in the last ten years by Labour than any country in the history of the world. Much of it is silly, pointless and badly draughted. Frankly much of it conflicts with European Law and needs fixing, so you go on respecting it and leave the rest of us to try and deal with the fall out in the real world.

As for building 1000, it has the DLR and a bloody airport on it's doorstep, LITERALLY with no real noise nuisance from the ATRs and the RJs. I mean how could transport links like that ever be an asset!! It takes a proper skill set to arse that up....

You cant say just one flight on a saturday afternoon. They signed up to a section 106 - whether you agree with it or not
Good laws have sensible exceptions. Bad ones don't, becasue Central Government doesn't trust the local council numpties to implement them properly.

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Old 13th Jan 2009, 09:13
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Skipness - You cant say just one flight on a saturday afternoon. They signed up to a section 106 - whether you agree with it or not.
And actually Newham are being unindated with wealth - olympics and crossrail. Its just very very badly managed.Have a look at Building 1000 - The council ended up having to buy it for over £100 million cause no businessess would go into it because of the airport - hardly good for jobs in Newham then.There is a curfew on flights.Its a law. It needs to be respected.
Anyone who has ever worked with Section 106 agreements with local authorities (things you have to do in return for planning permission) will know that in any other aspect of life they would lead to a law case for blackmail.

Building 1000 which overlooks the airport lay vacant for some years because the developer was looking for too high a price for it (poor location, very little car parking, area around it is industrial wasteland), had gone ahead without a prearranged tenant (the developer's own stupidity), and they finally "persuaded" the local council to take it. Yes, a complete squandering of local taxpayers money. Hey ho, it's only mine.
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I love the that if you say anything negative or say that LCY must obey the planning law that suddenly you are an anti-campaigner. What you think is a sensible law may not be sensible to me. Imagine people picked and choose what they want to abide by or not.The planning law actually protects the airport more that any other , keeping flight paths clear etc etc. So its my opinion its not a stupid law Anyway when the planning bill goes through none of us will have a say what goes where and when

WHBM - You must live in one of the lucky parts. I went down to the planning meeting and some of the stories people told where dreadful.Did you manage to get the free insulation from the airport?
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Heard that OSL is facing the axe with effect summer schedule

Quite a few destinations disappearing from the route map.....

IIRC, Oslo, Hamburg, Berne, Warsaw, Rome, Vienna, Stuttgart, Belfast, Bremen, Liverpool, Leipzig were all served from LCY not too long ago. Network will be down to 30 destinations.
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You must live in one of the lucky parts. I went down to the planning meeting and some of the stories people told where dreadful.Did you manage to get the free insulation from the airport?
I live on the Isle of Dogs so I have LCY departures and LHR Westerlies screaming round the corner at Canary Wharf on base leg and I know which is more annoying. I would love to know where the people demanding money to insulate themselves from those noisy 146s live. The approach on finals on both ends is pretty clear of residential property so that leaves Canning Town and Stratford departures, and noise is the least of your worries if you live there.

Some laws are wrong and stupid, it takes an intelligent man to tell the deifference.
Imagine people picked and choose what they want to abide by or not.
I generally do as the morals my mother taught me beat Labours unprecedented amount of legislation and job creation hands down.
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
John McCain is lobbying to get the range limitation at LGA lifted, so that transcon flights from California can be admitted.
I wonder if US1549 will affect that effort?

Originally Posted by Skipness One Echo
I live on the Isle of Dogs so I have LCY departures and LHR Westerlies screaming round the corner at Canary Wharf on base leg and I know which is more annoying.
A number of noise complaints were levelled against Toronto City Centre at one time - the only problem was that the aircraft that caused it had come from Pearson...
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Originally Posted by darren6012
The planning law actually protects the airport more that any other, keeping flight paths clear etc etc.
I guess you are not from an aviation background, for if so you would know that London City is one of the worst examples in the UK you could choose of being hamstrung by inappropriate planning requirements. The approaches to 28/departures from 10 are hamstrung by being required to comply with a non-standard 5.5 degree glidescope. Many look at this from the runway and wonder why. It is to clear the East London River Crossing. The many then look in vain for this. It has of course never been built, and the various mayoral administrations are against it anyway - Boris has recently reconfirmed it is not going ahead. But it is in the airport planning requirements, and as a result there are substantial performance limitations, all to clear a bridge which has not been and never will be built.

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* WHBM you're showing your age mate. Tis 27 at LHR these days!
Aha ! Not showing my age, just a little 10-degree typo
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Reason for Today's BA 8471/2 LCY -BCN Cancellation

Hi All,

What is the reason behind BA's cancellation of BA 8471/2 from City to Barcelona today. I checked on Seatcounter and loads seem light for all 3 days it operates this and next week?

Reason for asking is that I am booked on it on the 30th, and have a different ticket connection with Spanair (bmi miles)

Thanks

R

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I don't know the answer, but it was also cancelled late last week [I want to say Thurs but can't remember if it runs then?]. Loads on it are often light.
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Before I start, I know what the BA brand police are like, so I know the answer even before I ask it....but..

It is lost on me why with SunAir, as BA's sole remaining european franchisee (as far as I recall?) and with the right equipment for LCY operations, as a relatively "easy" option for BA CityFlyer to either start new routes or layer capacity etc with the Do328...why has BA not explored this previously.

Admittedly, LCY-BCN on a 328 might be a stretch (can the 328JET do it, I wonder)....but Air France appears to have successfully layered their operations at LCY through use of the CityJet Avros, VLM F50s and Scot Do328s. Surely it cannot be such a significant mental leap for BA to figure out the same sort of thing, to help itself out, through use of its partners!
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Depends whether Sun-Air have any spare aircraft of course.
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BCN flight cancelled due tech aircraft (hydraulic leak I believe).
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I live on the Isle of Dogs so I have LCY departures and LHR Westerlies screaming round the corner at Canary Wharf on base leg and I know which is more annoying.
Steady on... LHR inbounds are only doing 180 knots when they pass your home so they are not exactly screaming!
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Steady on... LHR inbounds are only doing 180 knots when they pass your home so they are not exactly screaming!
I can assure you they can be - down to minimum approach speed this far out, plenty of flap, plenty of bank angle on sometimes to turn the corner, thus plenty of power.
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Have to agree,

Heathrow inbounds on base leg are often louder (or at least more noticeable) than any City traffic.

This is especially true when City is closed and heathrow inbounds have been given 3000ft to play with!

Still, where I live near Gatwick, it is just as bad with their inbounds!!!!
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Old 28th Jan 2009, 21:59
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Still, where I live near Gatwick, it is just as bad with their inbounds!!!!
Knowing where you live, those are inbounds to Stansted, not Gatwick
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Old 29th Jan 2009, 05:40
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LHR inbounds will rarely be at minimum approach speed when they pass the area around LCY and the vast majority of aircraft will have their gear still up then as well which generates less drag and needs less power. They are at a fairly quiet phase of flight really.

Even if one does find that they are more noticeable than LCY traffic, I would have to admit that you would be hard pushed to put the noise into the category of disturbing! Drive along to Hatton Cross to experience that!
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I don't know what you could possibly mean my dear Swiper.

You having conversations with yourself again................you know what the doctors have said, keep taking those pills
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Anyone get any pics of the ATR72 in LCY this morning?
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Old 30th Jan 2009, 12:44
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Anyone know how long it is going to be around?
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