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Not sure about Sunair, but if some reports are to be believed, Comair extend its franchise in mid-2007 for another 11 years, so apparently BA is not dropping its franchisees as quickly as possible as a matter of principle. They seem to take a case-by-case approach.
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SKIPNESS,
I like your thinking , but surely you remember that anything regional that BA touches turns to lead. ( something to do with the Manager cost / Pax yield ratio ).
Perhaps BA as a FlyBe franchise ( with Emirates support of course ) is the future !
I like your thinking , but surely you remember that anything regional that BA touches turns to lead. ( something to do with the Manager cost / Pax yield ratio ).
Perhaps BA as a FlyBe franchise ( with Emirates support of course ) is the future !
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Just to add caution to that site, todays news also has Monarch ceasing
BHX - Grenada - news to Monarch as they have never flown to Grenada from BHX.
Also it has Monarch starting BHX - Banjul - not heard of that one either.
Pete
BHX - Grenada - news to Monarch as they have never flown to Grenada from BHX.
Also it has Monarch starting BHX - Banjul - not heard of that one either.
Pete
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New service to IOM by Aer Arann now confirmed:
London City (LCY) to Isle of Man (IOM)
Flight No. Dep LCY Arr IOM Days of operation
VG664 0830 0955 MTWTF--
RE802 1015 1140 MTWTFS-
RE806 1545 1710 MTWTF-S
RE808 1945 2105 MTWTF-S
Isle of Man (IOM) to London City (LCY)
Flight No. Dep IOM Arr
LCY Days of operation
RE801 0825 0950 MTWTFS-
RE805 1355 1520 MTWTF-S
VG664 1540 1715 MTWTF--
RE807 1755 1920 MTWTF-S
What is more interesting, though, is this:
London City (LCY) to Isle of Man (IOM)
Flight No. Dep LCY Arr IOM Days of operation
VG664 0830 0955 MTWTF--
RE802 1015 1140 MTWTFS-
RE806 1545 1710 MTWTF-S
RE808 1945 2105 MTWTF-S
Isle of Man (IOM) to London City (LCY)
Flight No. Dep IOM Arr
LCY Days of operation
RE801 0825 0950 MTWTFS-
RE805 1355 1520 MTWTF-S
VG664 1540 1715 MTWTF--
RE807 1755 1920 MTWTF-S
What is more interesting, though, is this:
The Aer Arann Isle of Man route will also bring another first to London City Airport as its debuts the 72-seat ATR72-500. It will be the first of its type to operate into London City, bringing high standards of passenger service to the route. Aer Arann is currently participating in a certification programme with the manufacturer, ATR, the UK Civil Aviation Authority and London City Airport.
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Aer Arann also have several ATR-42 in the fleet, which is a type already authorised at LCY, so they can start when they wish. Given the typical loads on the Isle of Man route, this type should be quite sufficient.
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I think there are three ATR42s left, and when the order for the ATR72-500s was placed a while ago, it was said that they are on the way out. So probably not a long-term alternative.
The other question is, of course, in what kind of deal Aer Arran obtained the slots at LCY. If the slots have come from the airport itself (rather than from another carrier selling them to Aer Arran) - wouldn't the airport require a new carrier to use an aircraft of a certain size? My understanding is that no new slots are allocated for anything smaller than 70 seats (of course an airline can always promise a lot and show up with a smaller aircraft when push comes to shove), but this might be an urban legend.
The other question is, of course, in what kind of deal Aer Arran obtained the slots at LCY. If the slots have come from the airport itself (rather than from another carrier selling them to Aer Arran) - wouldn't the airport require a new carrier to use an aircraft of a certain size? My understanding is that no new slots are allocated for anything smaller than 70 seats (of course an airline can always promise a lot and show up with a smaller aircraft when push comes to shove), but this might be an urban legend.
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It thus makes you wonder how the LCY Slot Authorisation Department can authorise a new operation with a 72-seater type, to fit their aircraft sizing rules, which the LCY Type Approval Department has not approved for operations into the airport.
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I think the reason they have gone for the 72-500 is customer perception along with better reliability. To make the route sucessful they have to provide the busniess community with there best product. The 42's are old very loud and usually flown on sectors under 1 hour. I think with the 72'5 passenger will find it is the most comfortable option to and from the IOM.With ATR keen to certify the 72-600 for london city maybe the certification will certify all 72's after all they are more or less all the same with a few engine varitions.I believe Arann's despatch reliability has increased alot with the new a/c's so less chance of them having a technical problem and having a plane sitting in LCY for the day, I believe it is very expensive. I wish them all the sucess on the route and hope its just the start of more routes out of LCY in the future.
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My understanding from a friend of a friend, was that the 70 seat rule for new slots only applied to the allocation of new slots for the new stands at the time they were allocated. There is no general rule about aircraft size.
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According to press release on their website there are some changes at LCY for VLM.
As of Jan 5th 09 the LCY AMS VLM flights will be operated with Cityjet RJ85 - 8 services a day - an increase in seat capacity of 45% in each direction!
VLM are to operate the LCY EIN route twice daily. Again an increase incapacity from the current Cityjet Dornier to the VLM F50's.
Plus the press release mentions that VLM are working towards merging their frequent flier program in to the AFKL Fly Blue scheme.
Seems that joining AFKL has enabled VLM to remain the dominate player at LCY.
As of Jan 5th 09 the LCY AMS VLM flights will be operated with Cityjet RJ85 - 8 services a day - an increase in seat capacity of 45% in each direction!
VLM are to operate the LCY EIN route twice daily. Again an increase incapacity from the current Cityjet Dornier to the VLM F50's.
Plus the press release mentions that VLM are working towards merging their frequent flier program in to the AFKL Fly Blue scheme.
Seems that joining AFKL has enabled VLM to remain the dominate player at LCY.
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And we live over in Beckton, just far enough away from a DLR station for luggage to be pretty impractical. By the way, have you ever tried asking a black cab to take you from LCY over to Beckton
I'm worried about the flight I like taking - the LH/contact air to HAM. only on fridays does it seem to be filled and often it's at no more than 20% capacity. it seems to have disappeared for the holidays. anyone know if LH is going to keep this one running next year?
