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Old 5th Sep 2012, 07:25   #3661 (permalink)
 
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chaps,

I'd check that if I were you. I flew on a BI Jetstream to Jersey in Feb and making a random booking for 22/12 it shows a Jetstream as operating. Manx2 have Jetstreams from Links Air, so its clearly a doable route.
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It was only if the ATR broke down

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Old 5th Sep 2012, 10:03   #3663 (permalink)
 
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Just out of interest. As has been pointed out, there is obviously demand for jersey from blk area, just wondering why the airport aren't In talks with the likes of blue island, if that is the case? Why does the airline need to be based in Blackpool. It's one of those strange things ls seem to do with blk, run a route for couple of seasons , then drop it blaming poor pax numbers, isn't that what they did with Ibiza and menorca, and Amsterdam, Prague, and so on, some of these routes obviously work from blk, with the pax numbers they had as some of the routes ran for a good while, I just think they'd do better with someone with smaller planes , the flybe's and the likes of as said would suit jersey London, poss Newquay , but not on a 737. And why for and airport that has a sister airport in the southwest ,is there no link to it(Exeter )?



Obviously I don't mean, putting a turbo prop on a route such as Ibiza, but certainly on Amsterdam, or Exeter or Newquay in summer, surely one would imagine between 2 top uk holidays resorts would work, then again!, what do I know?

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Old 5th Sep 2012, 13:45   #3664 (permalink)
 
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I reckon losing Jersey for Ibiza, Dalaman and Lanzarore is a fair trade.

I think it was worse when LS dropped MAH and Ibiza and gave us Jersey.

Going back to Amsterdam and Prague, I wonder what the pax numbers for those cities where..They where dropped pretty quick.

I agree there is some demand for BLK/Jersey, but not enough to fill a 737 or even pay for the crew and fuel.

take-off is right, an airline does not have to be based in BLK, and a/c landing and taking pax to jersey would do just fine.
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Old 5th Sep 2012, 14:06   #3665 (permalink)
 
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Could Flybe take up Jersey? They seem to have Sat flights to Jersey from a number of small airports in the summer. 1 or 2 flights per week on a Q400 should be a successful formula as long as the prices are reasonable.
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Old 5th Sep 2012, 16:28   #3666 (permalink)
 
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I agree there is some demand for BLK/Jersey, but not enough to fill a 737 or even pay for the crew and fuel.
Spot on Ernest Lancs.

The average load factor for May to July this year has been 54.2% compared with 67.1% for the same period last year and 72.4% for the full summer period last year.

Even based on last full summer's load factor, Jet2 obviously feel that their aircraft can be better utilised on other routes.
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Old 5th Sep 2012, 16:31   #3667 (permalink)
 
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54.2% of 148 seats is funnily enough around 80 seats which makes the Flybe option seem perfect! Obviously fares would probably be a little higher to take account for the smaller aircraft but those loads suggest that Flybe could do very well on such a route!
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Old 5th Sep 2012, 17:12   #3668 (permalink)
 
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Out of interest, the average Jet2 load factors on the sunshine routes for the full summer (May to September) last year were:

Alicante 94.4%
Palma 84.6%
Malaga 93.9%
Murcia 85.9%
Faro 91.6%

Any disruption due to the volcano fall out last year is not included in these figures.

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Old 5th Sep 2012, 18:15   #3669 (permalink)
 
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May I humbly point out it is not the load factor it is the yield.
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Old 5th Sep 2012, 19:28   #3670 (permalink)
 
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Yes, I think we all understand that but with such high load factors throughout the summer and every summer at that, I think the yield will be most acceptable to Jet2 or the routes would have been chopped by now.
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Old 5th Sep 2012, 19:30   #3671 (permalink)
 
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Could Flybe take up Jersey? They seem to have Sat flights to Jersey from a number of small airports in the summer.
If a tour operator would back the service, then quite probably. A lot of their Sat only JER flights replaced former charters, with BE selling any spare capacity themselves
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Old 5th Sep 2012, 19:53   #3672 (permalink)
 
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With respect to anyone talking about other carriers taking over the Jersey route.

Where were they before Jet2 started this route a couple of years ago..I can't remember any airline or even rumours of airlines being interested in BLK.jersey...Can't think why they would now, unless they find the LS stats making it worthwhile.
MANX2 would have been the obvious successor to jet2, but as dada points out.
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ALL THE way to jer in a let from blk. i dont think so. i'd take about 2 hours!
Also airlines with smaller a/c, would have to charge nearly as much BLK to jersey and Jet2 to say, Alicante or Malaga.

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Old 5th Sep 2012, 22:06   #3673 (permalink)
 
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If I recall correctly, Jersey-Blackpool started up again in about 2007 as a VLM charter through CI Travel Service and operated as such until Jet2 began flights in 2010. Until the early 2000s there was also a charter flown by one of the BA franchises but that's stretching my memory.

I would say the most likely outcome, as already mentioned, is that the route might be picked up by a tour operator and operate on a Saturday during the summer, much like Manston, Durham Tees, Dundee etc do already. Jet2 will have stimulated some extra demand for the route, but realistically it is suited to being a charter flight for the more senior market.

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Old 5th Sep 2012, 22:43   #3674 (permalink)
 
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I was meaning a scheduled service like jet2 provided.

If there is a positive, then Jet2 have shown that an a/c smaller than a 737 could operate that route.
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but realistically it is suited to being a charter flight for the more senior market.
That's spot on.
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Old 5th Sep 2012, 22:45   #3675 (permalink)
 
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ALL THE way to jer in a let from blk. i dont think so. i'd take about 2 hours!
They wouldn't use the Let. Manx2 also have two Dornier 228s and two Jetstream 31s available to them, with the latter being the most suited to longer sectors within the British Isles.

I am pretty sure Flybe has operated Blackpool to Jersey charters in the past (on behalf of a tour operator), maybe in the early 2000s for one or two seasons, flying on a weekly or monthly basis. I distinctly remember BA CitiExpress doing a similar thing.

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Old 14th Sep 2012, 17:54   #3676 (permalink)
 
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August 2012 Stats

Pax this month ... 39,076 (+4.6%)

Pax Rolling Year ... 233,106 (-2.1%)

ALICANTE 5189 +1% 97.4%LF
FARO 4855 +4% 93.5%LF
MALAGA 3594 -25% 93.4%LF
PALMA 6279 +10% 96.4%LF
MURCIA 3983 +8% 99.9%LF
TENERIFE 1400 94.6%LF
JERSEY 2319 -1% 87.0%LF
BELFAST 5147 +4% 79.0%LF

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Old 14th Sep 2012, 18:40   #3677 (permalink)
 
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Thank's TSR2..

AGP -25% with a LF of 93.4%..Am I going brain dead, how are you working this out?.

That apart this year is an improvement and the Pax Rolling Year - (-2.1%) is far better than expected in the spring.

Be good to see the stats when Dalaman,Ibiza and Lanzarotte come into play 2013.

Looking how bookings are going Dalaman, I am sure a 757 should be the a/c of choice on that route.
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Old 14th Sep 2012, 22:12   #3678 (permalink)
 
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Ernest, with reference to the Malaga numbers, in August 2011 there were 17 return flights offering 5,032 seats as opposed to this years August offering of 13 return flights and 3,848 available seats.

25% fewer passengers this year but 23.5% fewer seats available, hence slightly lower load factor than last year (93.4% this year against 95.9% last year)

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Old 14th Sep 2012, 23:28   #3679 (permalink)
 
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The following is a comparison of average Load Factors for the 3 month period of June to August this year with the same period last year, for the Jet2 routes from Blackpool.

Destination - Average LF 2012 - (Average LF 2011)

ALICANTE - 96.8% - (95.2%)
FARO - 96.7% - (91.3%)
PALMA - 97.1% - (91.3)
MALAGA - 93.9% - (94.8%)
MURCIA - 97.4% - (93.1%)
JERSEY - 69.3% - (72.3%)
BELFAST - 62.1% - (54.0%)

Every route shows an increase in the average Load Factor this year except Jersey and surprisingly Malaga. The average Tenerife LF this year is 94.3% but was not operated during this period last year.

Although yield is not known, the figures would indicate (to me at least) that Blackpool is an important and valuable base for Jet2 and justifies the decision by Jet2 to increase the number of routes next year.

Considering these figures are an average over a 3 month period, I am a little surprised that Jet2 have not considered a larger aircraft on some if not all the routes.
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Old 15th Sep 2012, 16:47   #3680 (permalink)
 
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25% fewer passengers this year but 23.5% fewer seats available, hence
slightly lower load factor than last year (93.4% this year against 95.9% last
year)
Thank's for that TSR2
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Considering these figures are an average over a 3 month period, I am a little
surprised that Jet2 have not considered a larger aircraft on some if not all the
routes.
It's only a matter of time IMO..Routes like the Canaries and Turkey in summer, will require a larger a/c that a 737 IMO.
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