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Old 11th July 2009, 04:38   #1121 (permalink)
 
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A TV commercial for BOH?!

check this out... haven't seen it on TV yet though only seems to be on viral networks.

YouTube - BOURNEMOUTH AIRPORT TOUR with Will Skinner
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Old 14th July 2009, 14:20   #1122 (permalink)
 
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June 2009 passenger numbers

According to the CAA website, Bournemouth handled 87,848 passengers in June 2009 a reduction of 11% on June 2008.

Increases in passengers carried compared to last year were seen on Dalaman, Tenerife, Alicante, Verona, Naples, Heraklion, Marseille, Paphos indicating that the charter industry seems to be holding its own compared to the budget scheduled airlines.

Ryanair didn't seem to do well in terms of load factors on their new Carcassonne or Limoges routes - averaging around 55%

Bournemouth handled more pax than Exeter, Guernsey, Newquay, Blackpool, Norwich, Humberside, Durham Tees Valley, Inverness, City of Derry and Isle of Man during that month

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Old 14th July 2009, 16:17   #1123 (permalink)
 
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Bournemouth 2015-2030

New chunky routes viable from Bournemouth, and most appropriate airlines, frequency and aircraft

Warsaw 3 wkly FR
Rome 4 wkly FR
Nice 3 WKLY EZY
Bergerac 3 WKLY FR
Manchester 12 WKLY Air Southwest
Dusseldorf 1 wkly Lufthansa ATR-42
Berlin 3 wkly FR
Frankfurt 1 wkly Lufthansa ATR-42
Zurich 2 wkly SWISS BAe 146
Barcelona 3 wkly Vueling A320
Madrid 2 wkly IBERIA CRJ
Dubai 4 wkly Emirates A330
New York 4 wkly American B757
Barbados 1 wkly Thomson B767/B787
Orlando 1 wkly Thomson B767/B787
Jersey 14 wkly Air Southwest
Guernsey 7 wkly Air Southwest
Alderney 4 wkly Manx2
Belfast 4 wkly EZY / FR
Glasgow 7 wkly EZY
Amsterdam/Exeter 21 wkly KLM F70
Paris CDG 6 wkly Air Southwest
Madeira 2 wkly EZY
Malta 2 wkly FR
Stockholm 1 wkly SAS MD-80

Flights by SAS, Lufthansa, SWISS and Iberia would ideally be for in-bound tourism summer only season including wealthy foreign students

Any other suggestions welcome...
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Old 14th July 2009, 16:59   #1124 (permalink)
 
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i can see some of the flights by asw/ezy/manx2/fr and possibly the tomson lh routes once the new terminal is completed by some of the others seem fairly unlikely in my opinion
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Old 14th July 2009, 23:19   #1125 (permalink)
 
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I doubt the 4x Weekly New York and Dubai, more like 1x Weekly, there currently isnt the population for them long haul flights at least within the next 10-15 years Belfast could easily be daily, if the right advertising was done, along with Dublin, Cork and Shannon, as a few Irish Routes. City routes including Madrid, Stockholm, Copenhagen need to be at least 2 times weekly they are city destinations, and not everyone will want to spend a whole week there. Budapest/Prague/Bratislava could all be 2/3 times weekly easily, with so many young students in Bournemouth, they would be attracted to those destinations as well as a daily if not twice daily AMS flight. Vueling wouldnt work for Barcelona, however Girona with Ryanair Daily would... etc...
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Old 14th July 2009, 23:27   #1126 (permalink)
 
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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but long haul to NYC etc. from BOH is so far down the list when you think that in the UK/EIRE, DXB isn't served from:
  • Bristol
  • Liverpool
  • Belfast
  • DUBLIN
  • Cork
  • Edinburgh
  • Luton

NYC:
  • Newcastle
  • East Midlands
  • GATWICK

Those are just the few that would stand a slim chance of one of the routes, some a VERY slim chance.

I can't see the European flights mentioned coming off in the near future either to be honest.
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Old 15th July 2009, 17:10   #1127 (permalink)
 
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I think Air Southwest would be interested in plugging the Glasgow gap that is now left open after Ryanair's axing of the Prestwick services. Just not sure how comfortable a flight to GLA from BOH would be on a DH8-300
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Old 15th July 2009, 17:52   #1128 (permalink)
 
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Jun passenger numbers

Hi,

Carcassonne is twice weekly, giving a flown LF of 66%.
Limoges is also twice weekly, giving a flown LF of 48% (after 44% in May and 37% in April). I fear that Limoges may not be back next summer unless it improves fast.

Interestingly, the real stars for FR were all to Spain: Malaga, Alicante, Murcia and Palma were all well over 80%.
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Old 15th July 2009, 19:34   #1129 (permalink)
 
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Good post as usual Anna List - the BOH market is high percentage leisure, odd though that some of the more obvious FR destinations don't make it in favour of the more bizarre -in which category I would include Limoges, Nantes (Flybe bashing?), Wroclaw and Shannon as examples.

There is still a hole in Poland, the number of expat Poles has not diminished that much on the coast since last summer. Krakow is the obvious gap.

BOH has a very high leisure and educational travel catchment, ie. low-ish frequency, but also city break & bucket and spade.

Surely will not be long before FR adds the Canaries, Malta, even Morrocco, but there seems no near prospect of Venice, Rome, Prague (which did ok with TFly) and ... though not FR territory, Nice has strong links with the UK south coast - a similar market to the EZY GVA Ski types.

I hear too that advance bookings for the newly announced Sharm El Sheik and Turkey routes next year are selling fast.

Conversely the inbound tourism in this part of the world is astonishing, seems half of Germany and Holland is around at the moment!

2010 - with the new terminal too has the potential to be quite rosy for BOH.
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Old 15th July 2009, 23:19   #1130 (permalink)
 
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I flew Limoges - Bournemouth on Saturday and the plane was surprisingly full, it must have been 175 or so, which is 93%. Going out it was more like 65%.
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Old 16th July 2009, 00:32   #1131 (permalink)
 
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I flew Limoges - Bournemouth on Saturday and the plane was surprisingly full, it must have been 175 or so, which is 93%. Going out it was more like 65%.
Holiday weekend in France. 14th July and all that. Also 'Le Tour' was in Limoges so a lot going on. Interesting to see how the loads look for the rest of the year.
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Old 16th July 2009, 08:33   #1132 (permalink)
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Quote "the BOH market is high percentage leisure"

Yes because they do not fly anywhere that is not a leisure destination.

I had really hoped that BOH would get its act together and get some central Europe destinations but it has become a 2009 version of B+W coaches.
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Old 16th July 2009, 15:48   #1133 (permalink)
 
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Why not try this

Lots of good ideas for routes that would be viable from BOH ! Some quite daft !

The trouble is Ryanair only seem to choose the wrong destination at the wrong times of day.

Why Limoges ????

Swap it for Bergerac Daily in summer then 4 a week in winter, just copy the flybe routes and times and as long as they are really a better price at the end of the booking process they could get fantastic results.

Limoges ( middle of nowhere ) - Bergerac ( millions of expats in all directions ) - No contest

Even the old Euroscot set up had decent load factors, because they flew at the right times, regular travellers are business travellers and don't want to fly at lunchtime !

Is it me or is it not just common sense !
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Old 16th July 2009, 16:32   #1134 (permalink)
 
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Since when did common sense mean anything to RYR?
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Old 20th July 2009, 14:00   #1135 (permalink)
 
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Limoges may not seem the most 'low hanging' of the fruit to pluck from BOH, but sometimes it depends more on where the deal is best and which route timing can be fit into the schedule. Remember we took over the BOH operation of Buzz. We have seen first hand the forward bookings on the Buzz service to EGC (and others) and it wasn't viable to continue in our minds (then). But things change and it may not be a bad route from BOH at the right price and frequency when we can actually do it. But we are trying out routes where we can from BOH, there will be more - some will succeed and others may not. in fact there haven't been terribly loss making routes from BOH, it's more that some make significant R.O.P and others just 'contribute' - its a case of filtering out only the significantly profitable ones so we can see a long-term successful operation.

Prestwick was a case in point. But recently due slack economy and leakage to EDI, yield went too low and demand also weakened so we had no choice. If the economy picks up and more a/c become available (based a/c) at either PIK or BOH, with the right flight times it may come back. PIK based a/c capacity is being cut for the winter period and the lower yielding routes (like BOH) took the hammer first as a result of that reduction.
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Old 20th July 2009, 14:05   #1136 (permalink)
 
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Prestwick was a case in point. But recently due slack economy and leakage to EDI, yield went too low and demand also weakened so we had no choice.
No, it wasn't. It was the new ridiculous timings!
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Old 20th July 2009, 14:39   #1137 (permalink)
 
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What about the Paris route , Milan and Turin as well .......they were never given any time to get load factors and yield correct before being pulled
The Turin was a popular ski route and was a good service on a Saturday

This winter we will see Gerona , Dublin operating as a based route from the airport but at only 4 times a week when in particular the Gerona route has performed really well with constantly high load factors
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Old 20th July 2009, 15:12   #1138 (permalink)
 
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Buzz ???!!!

Did Buzz ever operate out of Bournemouth ?

I didn't think they ever did !

So ryanair 1, if your prices are truly the cheapest, why not copy some of Flybe's sucessful routes and bring some more traffic through BOH ?

Why did the other base aircraft never show up ?
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Old 20th July 2009, 15:18   #1139 (permalink)
 
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FlyBE fly 70-110 seat aircraft multi-daily on their most successful routes from EXT. Try filling 756 seats on BOH-MAN.
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Old 22nd July 2009, 08:03   #1140 (permalink)
 
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lovejet - Dash-8-300 would be fine - NQY-GLA takes 1hr 45 at FL240. It's tipped the 2 hour mark with headwinds a few times. Anything over 2 hours becomes a bit bum-numbing!
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