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Old 26th Feb 2012, 20:45
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The yacht and messerschmitt are well known. But do tell us more about the objectionable short welsh one and this fancy dress outfit?
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Old 26th Feb 2012, 21:43
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Any chance eastern would operate into DUB?
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Old 27th Feb 2012, 00:02
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I know they've had an S2000 in DUB on charters before
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Old 27th Feb 2012, 04:15
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I'm not sure the short welsh one dressed as a german paratroop would constitute 'fancy dress', more like fantasy dress in his case.
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Old 27th Feb 2012, 07:58
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Originally Posted by stab3.5up
Any chance eastern would operate into DUB?
Their scheduled model has typically been flying business routes with 2 or more daily frequencies where the business passenger is prepared to pay a premium for the same-day-return schedule convenience. If there are unserved UK opportunities from DUB like this, they might consider them... but I'm not sure that there are. Also, their brand is known in their UK markets, and it would take some marketing € to get themselves known in the Dublin market, for (let's imagine) one relatively thin route.
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Old 29th Feb 2012, 01:15
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Notice that the DH8 will cease to operate the ABZ-LBA-BRS route from 23rd March. Flights will instead be operated by a mix of S2000 and J41 aircraft.

Are the 2 DH8's been moved to a different route or are they leaving the fleet all together.
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Old 29th Feb 2012, 19:59
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It's about 18 months now since T3 began operating flights from a new base at DIJ. Does anyone know how well or not the DIJ flights are doing or not as the case maybe?

Do T3 plan to add more flight from DIJ to other french regional airports or even reopen the route to SOU that was operated last summer?
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Old 29th Feb 2012, 21:33
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DIJ-SOU

When they extended the route last year they did say it would return this year and you must remember last year it was put on sale quite late so they may be doing that again for whatever reason. I belive loads were mostly in the 20's so good for a J41 and Eastern had cheaper fares than most of the 'business' routes although they were probably high enough to mean they got a good yeild from the route too!
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its returning 3 times a week
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Old 2nd Mar 2012, 14:51
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DIJ-SOU is in the booking engine on T3's french website, though oddly not on their english website
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Old 2nd Mar 2012, 15:08
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Are Arann to pull IOM - LCY, would Eastern consider this route or are they moving from schedule to charter
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Old 2nd Mar 2012, 15:51
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are they moving from schedule to charter
Certainly not - they are just making the most of publicity for their charter operations, which they have effectively relaunched for the press even though very little has changed.

would Eastern consider this route [IOM-LCY]
I doubt it, given that they pulled out of both airports in the past - whilst it would probably work on a Jetstream 41, unless you have a base at one airport then you either face expensive positioning flights, low load factors or awful aircraft utilisation rates depending on what decision you take to solve the problem. I don't believe there has been any official confirmation of the drop - seemed completely speculatory to me and it all came from a post on the IOM thread which had a question mark after it.
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Old 2nd Mar 2012, 18:28
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Lake fell out with the IOM, hence the base closure a couple of years ago. There is only one aircraft left in the 41 fleet with the steep approach mod installed, the other 2 which had the mod were sold a while back. There is a big crew training cost to restarting LCY ops as well.

I doubt they would put a saab on it, they are to busy doing scatsta and other things to set up a one aircraft remote base. 50 seater ops into LCY are getting uneconomic whcih is probably why Arran pulled out?
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DH8 WOWB has been re-registered...
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Old 3rd Mar 2012, 18:50
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Flight to Cardiff with EZE

Heard thru the vine which produces grapes as follows

Eastern flight to cardiff ex newcastle last week not sure which day had an extended flight time of approx 4 Hours ?? due fog at Cardiff ??

Control of rumours states because crew did not check wx at Cardiff ??

Find that statement diffucult to swallow(Unless Captain needs Hours)

Anyone care to comment

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Old 3rd Mar 2012, 19:19
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It sounds like they most certainly did check the WX at CWL. As they wouldn't have planned normal fuel uplift for a 1 hour flight and still be in the air 3 hours later.
Did it divert to BRS?
CWL suffered a fair bit of bad fog last week. Most flights still departed for CWL on time, probably with extra fuel, and if neccessary it would divert to BRS, or BHX/EXT if BRS had fog.
Pretty standard procedure for most airlines unless all alternates are also below limits, leaving no divert alternate.
Can you be clearer in what you heard?
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Old 3rd Mar 2012, 20:22
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Looking at BRS in/out diversions details from another forum that is usually reliable with such information, it shows that BRS was open on the days earlier this week when lower-lying airports in the vicinity were fogbound, including CWL and Filton (FZO).

Several inbound CWL flights and one FZO inbound (bmiRegional) were diverted to BRS including Eastern from Newcastle on the morning of 1 March.

There is a note saying that passengers were bused from Cardiff to Bristol for the flight back to Newcastle. That might be the reason for any overall delay.
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Old 3rd Mar 2012, 23:45
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I can confirm that on Thursday 1st March CWL was hit by fog. The Eastern Airways aircraft entered the Cardiff hold at 07:40 and diverted to bristol at 08:27.

Passengers were bussed to Cardiff and the outbound passengers were also bussed to Bristol to catch the flight.

I'm not 100% certain if the Met Office forecasted the fog but i know that on tv weather they appologised for not forecasting. The fog was very localised but very thick and two other flights were also diverted to Bristol.

The one thing i do know for certain that if the fog was forecast in the TAF/METAR then the crew would have planned for it as they would have had a weather pack for their first flight of the day.

Flight times and diversion information provided by South Wales Aviation Group
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Old 4th Mar 2012, 08:44
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The new(ish) Euro passenger charter is extremely punitive towards airlines regarding delays and cancelled flights. Its now fairly standard practice for a crew to launch (after checking with ops) knowing that their destination is out of limits (with the proviso that they carry an extra 'in limits' alternate up their sleeves). Although ultimitely more expensive in this case, most of the time ops will choose to despatch the schedule knowing there's a fair chance it will get in following a short hold. Diversions due weather are still relatively rare compared to landings at destinations.
And as for suggesting the crew did not check their met.........shame on you.
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Old 4th Mar 2012, 10:50
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The situation at Eastern is this:
Ops at eastern don't realise how bad the weather is at airfields. There are several reasons for this; often the person running the airline early in the morning may have little more than a couple of months worth of experience, they are overloaded and undertrained and not supervised. Not their fault though.

The crew ring and tell ops it's foggy at the destination, the person answering the phone will then seek advice from someone with more experience if anyone else is in the office yet. If not they ask the captain what should be done.

If they are being supervised and it's a certain mr Hburger it will then depend on how much the vein is throbbing in the side of his head, how his general stress levels are and if he has done his deep breathing relaxation tape on the way to work. Usually crews are told to launch, I believe because the person telling them to go has no clue about minima, go rounds and they are all scared of getting a bollocking for having aircraft on the ground. Once an aircraft has launched then it is the captains fault if he or she can't get in.
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