Liobian

So, with a/c expected, anyone know when Eastern are due to commence this oil run ?

BAAdboy

Looks like last flights by FLT 146s on Friday 6th Feb 2009 with EZE Saabs commencing from Monday 9th Feb 2009.

mancairboy

friend has told me eastern to withdraw flights from manchester can
anyone confirm this have tried to book online for december
but response is no flight available

egnxema

Any news if/when EZE are going to announce the LCY AMS flights for sale?

airhumberside

It wasnt that long ago Eastern added a 4th daily to STN, and awarded a new handling contract at MAN

EDIT - Eastern website shows last flight 28th of this month

Wellington Bomber

When Eastern originally operated Manchester - Stansted it was a very profitable route and had lots of supporters.

Unfortunately, when Air Berlin operated this route and offered fares at next to nothing the passenger thought that Eastern were taking the mick with prices. Obviously Air Berlin could not sustain the low fares as they soon pulled of the route.

Eastern then restarted the service but only got the really loyal supporters of the original service at the appropriate fares to justify a regular service 3 to 4 times a day. Sadly not enough people returned and therefore the service has ended. Well done LCC's

scratchingthesky

You will find in the current economic climate all routes that are not in profit will be cut, this type of action will not be confined to just Eastern.

If it means that the airline survives then ruthless action has to be taken.

brown1950

Eastern could be a bit premature with stopping the service Manchester-Stansted with AirAsia X due to commence service to Kuala Lumpur in March09 ?

Skipness One Echo

What's the point of connecting onto a flight to Manchester that will cost as much as your flight from Asia????? That's nuts!

virginblue

So with "just" 2 more Saab 2000s arriving and a need for at least 4 additional Saabs for the Shetland's contract AND the new AMS route, which routes will face a downgrade from the Saab 2000 to the Jetstream 41?

PaulW

The current saab fleet is not used purely for schedule, one saab based in norwich and two in aberdeen that leaves three purely for charter work plus, the two joining. So I doubt any flights will be downgraded.

Wheeliebin

What is the general feeling, within Eastern, regards all Aberdeen Flightline employees becoming part of Eastern? This due to the "TUPE" regulations requiring them to continue operating on the Scatsta contract.

StraightLevel

Do you know for definite that they will be automatically "TUPE'd" accross to Eastern?

Have a look at:

TUPE - a guide to the regulations

Quote below from above website:

Transfers not covered by the Regulations

The Regulations do not apply to the following:
transfers by share take-over because, when a company’s shares are sold to new shareholders, there is no transfer of the business - the same company continues to be the employer;
transfers of assets only (for example, the sale of equipment alone would not be covered, but the sale of a going concern including equipment would be covered);
transfers of a contract to provide goods or services where this does not involve the transfer of a business or part of a business;
transfers of undertakings situated outside the United Kingdom.

Looks like the third one down applies to Eastern's aquisition of the IAC contract.

Wheeliebin

I believe TUPE applies. I also understand that the management of both Airlines accept that it applies.

Most importantly perhaps, Bristows and the IAC who will ultimately will be meeting the costs involved, expect it to be applied.

mini-jumbo

StraightLevel

I believe the website you've linked to may be out of date.

The TUPE regulations were revised in 2006. As a result, TUPE now applies to contracts being re assigned, where as before the revision, as you stated, it wouldn't have applied.

The new regulations can be found here: http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file20761.pdf

StraightLevel

Thanks for that mini-jumbo.

I assumed t'internet was the information super highway with all the relevant/uptodate info at your fingertips. I was wrong. Lesson learned.

Sorry if I have misled anyone.

I'll re-ask Wheeliebin's original question on his behalf below.

"What is the general feeling, within Eastern, regards all Aberdeen Flightline employees becoming part of Eastern? This due to the "TUPE" regulations requiring them to continue operating on the Scatsta contract."

Meeb

I think you will find that TUPE in Aviation is more restricted than in general industry.

As usual with aviation any rights the workers have is secondary to the almighty dollar...

Flightline employees will not have right of transfer to Eastern.

Flightrider

I think wheeliebin is right - the right of TUPE does exist and I understand that both airlines have accepted that employees will be TUPE'd across to Eastern along with the contract.

Wheeliebin

Meeb

In this case it will apply. Lawyers have given their assurance, and the customer is paying for the extra cost involved. In the fullness of time, this will prove to be the case. Therefore back to my original post, I was interested in the general feeling, within the two companies, on the forthcoming integration of crews.

FlatBroke

So this is fact is it? Aberdeen based Flightline crews are automatically transferring to Eastern but will remain on their FTL pay scale? What sort of numbers will be joining?
This appears a good deal for the Flightline crews and management at both Flightline and Eastern. Not so, perhaps, for the incumbent Eastern crew.
Until the implications of any TUPE argreement are known, it is difficult to comment on how the Eastern Crew will welcome the news.
For example, will the Scatsa contract have to be crewed by ex Flightline crews over non ex FTL crews? Will ex FTL crews be able to refuse duties that are non Scatsa?
Personally I hope the TUPE regulations do cover the Flightline crews. It is good to see at least some jobs with decent T&C's remaining.