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Old 20th Nov 2008, 10:39   #181 (permalink)
 
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So with "just" 2 more Saab 2000s arriving and a need for at least 4 additional Saabs for the Shetland's contract AND the new AMS route, which routes will face a downgrade from the Saab 2000 to the Jetstream 41?
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Old 20th Nov 2008, 13:31   #182 (permalink)
 
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The current saab fleet is not used purely for schedule, one saab based in norwich and two in aberdeen that leaves three purely for charter work plus, the two joining. So I doubt any flights will be downgraded.
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Old 20th Nov 2008, 13:33   #183 (permalink)
 
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What is the general feeling, within Eastern, regards all Aberdeen Flightline employees becoming part of Eastern? This due to the "TUPE" regulations requiring them to continue operating on the Scatsta contract.
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Old 20th Nov 2008, 21:13   #184 (permalink)
 
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Do you know for definite that they will be automatically "TUPE'd" accross to Eastern?

Have a look at:

TUPE - a guide to the regulations

Quote below from above website:

Transfers not covered by the Regulations

The Regulations do not apply to the following:
transfers by share take-over because, when a company’s shares are sold to new shareholders, there is no transfer of the business - the same company continues to be the employer;
transfers of assets only (for example, the sale of equipment alone would not be covered, but the sale of a going concern including equipment would be covered);
transfers of a contract to provide goods or services where this does not involve the transfer of a business or part of a business;
transfers of undertakings situated outside the United Kingdom.

Looks like the third one down applies to Eastern's aquisition of the IAC contract.
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Old 20th Nov 2008, 22:30   #185 (permalink)
 
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Flightline - TUPE

I believe TUPE applies. I also understand that the management of both Airlines accept that it applies.

Most importantly perhaps, Bristows and the IAC who will ultimately will be meeting the costs involved, expect it to be applied.
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Old 21st Nov 2008, 08:21   #186 (permalink)
 
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I believe the website you've linked to may be out of date.

The TUPE regulations were revised in 2006. As a result, TUPE now applies to contracts being re assigned, where as before the revision, as you stated, it wouldn't have applied.

The new regulations can be found here: http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file20761.pdf
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Old 21st Nov 2008, 11:12   #187 (permalink)
 
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Thanks for that mini-jumbo.

I assumed t'internet was the information super highway with all the relevant/uptodate info at your fingertips. I was wrong. Lesson learned.

Sorry if I have misled anyone.

I'll re-ask Wheeliebin's original question on his behalf below.

"What is the general feeling, within Eastern, regards all Aberdeen Flightline employees becoming part of Eastern? This due to the "TUPE" regulations requiring them to continue operating on the Scatsta contract."
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Old 21st Nov 2008, 19:02   #188 (permalink)
 
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Unhappy TUPE'd

I think you will find that TUPE in Aviation is more restricted than in general industry.

As usual with aviation any rights the workers have is secondary to the almighty dollar...

Flightline employees will not have right of transfer to Eastern.
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Old 22nd Nov 2008, 09:26   #189 (permalink)
 
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I think wheeliebin is right - the right of TUPE does exist and I understand that both airlines have accepted that employees will be TUPE'd across to Eastern along with the contract.
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Old 22nd Nov 2008, 09:33   #190 (permalink)
 
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In this case it will apply. Lawyers have given their assurance, and the customer is paying for the extra cost involved. In the fullness of time, this will prove to be the case. Therefore back to my original post, I was interested in the general feeling, within the two companies, on the forthcoming integration of crews.
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Old 22nd Nov 2008, 13:17   #191 (permalink)
 
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This is all just speculation. So in the fullness in time all will be revealed. Eastern always need new cabin crew in ABZ i can see them being used, but flight crew, they are still employed by Flightline, Eastern are not taking on the flightlines assets ie its aircraft so why would crew come with the contract. One company loses business another gains it. Its in flightlines interest now to get other business and keeps its crews employed. Anyway the cabin crew are much more likely to be local than the majority of the flight crew. Not sure why you would want to refuse duties other than skatsta, would you like to go to sardinia or switzerland for the week, or an early stavangar and be back by half nine in the morning.. No I wont to sit around in a wet and windy airport crew room for hours waiting for a helicopter to arrive.
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Old 22nd Nov 2008, 13:29   #192 (permalink)
 
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I agree it's good news for Flightline management - no relocation or redundancy costs. Probably not too bad for Eastern either. The numbers taking the TUPE will be relatively high, I would guess, in the current climate and the fact that they all live in Aberdeen.
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Old 22nd Nov 2008, 15:34   #193 (permalink)
 
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Flightline will probably have no need for any of the ABZ crew it makes sense to transfer those over. Some of the crews do not wish to move to a prop but some will be happy to remain in ABZ so there will be mixed feelings I guess.

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Most of the flight crew will be doing their best to make sure they only operate to SCS and do nothing else. Those who wish to remain in ABZ do so for the lifestyle and not necessarily the flying. The thought of being exposed to the rest of the Eastern network will hold little appeal since that will not give them the free weekends in addition to the civilised working hours that they enjoy.
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Old 22nd Nov 2008, 16:00   #194 (permalink)
 
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A little bit of Scatsta experience on the flightdeck would not be a bad thing on a black, wet & windy morning in mid winter. I believe Eastern have asked if Flightline pilots can be released for training prior to Feb 7, which is rumoured to be approved.
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Old 22nd Nov 2008, 17:47   #195 (permalink)
 
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on the saab different on the jetstream, you get most weekends off, so no change. Why be so negative..
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Old 22nd Nov 2008, 18:56   #196 (permalink)
 
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on the saab different on the jetstream, you get most weekends off, so no change. Why be so negative..
I am not being negative but just telling you how it is. The majority of the Flightline crews in ABZ have been around the European racetrack and are more than happy to potter up and down to the Shetlands and have no desire to go to anywhere else. You can't blame them really when a late finish is getting back after 1800! This could change under Eastern but it is unlikely to be as hectic as the Eastern scheduled network.

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I believe Eastern have asked if Flightline pilots can be released for training prior to Feb 7, which is rumoured to be approved.
Was that a Pig zooming past my front door???
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Old 22nd Nov 2008, 19:18   #197 (permalink)
 
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If there is money in for Flightline (crews from down Sth bought in for those released will be charged to IAC) believe me they will do it.

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Old 23rd Nov 2008, 01:22   #198 (permalink)
 
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You have to have the crews first and here lies the problem. A handful at the very most will be able to go early onto a Saab course but that will be at a push.
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Old 23rd Nov 2008, 13:48   #199 (permalink)
 
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Your living in a dream world, you think Eastern dont have the crews to operate Skatsta on Feb 9th? The Fos are hardly doing any work at the moment because the company is so busy line training new direct entry captains and fos at the moment. Aside from that, Eastern aircraft have occasionally been into Skatsta before, and certainly have pilots that have been there before. Its Cat C for us so crews will be getting training for it anyway. Eastern have a few other oil contract routes, I dont remember pilots from the companies that Eastern successfully bid against, being tuped across, its not gonna happen this time. In time, certainly Eastern will offer an olive branch to one or two local captains, who, they know will stay because they want to be in Aberdeen, when they apply, but it wont be tupe. The cabin crew may well be offered postions on eastern ts and cs, like I said before Eastern always need cabin crew in Aberdeen.

Ive just changed shopping from my local tesco to asda, will they be tupe-ing over some staff, I dont think so.
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Old 23rd Nov 2008, 15:14   #200 (permalink)
 
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Not sure who's in the dream world ? If you have the management of both companies in agreement that TUPE applies to Flightdeck, I would assume it's going to happen. Also, I think you'll find the vast majority of pilots are settled in ABZ.
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