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Thanks for feedback regarding BACON ex-LTN now being EX. 
It will be Aer Arran for me as both LCY + LGW are more than twice the distance from home. On the other hand, the price of car parking at LTN means that I must look at the benefits of taking the train to LGW!! REA prices are good but the car parking fees are not.
It will be Aer Arran for me as both LCY + LGW are more than twice the distance from home. On the other hand, the price of car parking at LTN means that I must look at the benefits of taking the train to LGW!! REA prices are good but the car parking fees are not.
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Meaning that the apron will be permanently extended onto the old section of twy Bravo, so that the only entrance/exits to/from the apron are Bravo from the east (with access from Charlie) and Foxtrot/Echo from the west.. only a rumour though so don't quote me on it
But there will be 4 stands each side of the pier, so ATC should be able to manage out most if not all conflicts
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Hey Hansol,
Sorry to have to ('kind of') disagree...
I feel that ATC have been / are , doing a good job of keeping the flow of traffic as efficient as possible during these times of heavy, and most annoying maintanence work!
Though I'm open to being proved wrong
Cheers - RR!
Sorry to have to ('kind of') disagree...
I feel that ATC have been / are , doing a good job of keeping the flow of traffic as efficient as possible during these times of heavy, and most annoying maintanence work!
Though I'm open to being proved wrong
Cheers - RR!
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think that the guys in the tower do a very good job!!!!!!!!!
Can be a bit annoying at times when we have to move out the way for the sacrid cow (the BA knackard old 146 with the hurray henrys), we can keep 250 kts to 8 miles, where as a jet has to slow down wayout.
Shame that the airport management wouldnt be a bit more active.
Wish I had the Airport Directors job................sitting there looking out of the window.................i guess i do that, but i have to push buttons!
Can be a bit annoying at times when we have to move out the way for the sacrid cow (the BA knackard old 146 with the hurray henrys), we can keep 250 kts to 8 miles, where as a jet has to slow down wayout.
Shame that the airport management wouldnt be a bit more active.
Wish I had the Airport Directors job................sitting there looking out of the window.................i guess i do that, but i have to push buttons!
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Apron access
A while ago I said that once the apron work was complete, ATC should be able to manage access conflicts, and despite others' sarcasm, I'm sure they will.
There is a however a flaw in the layout which has delayed the arrival of my baggage to the carousel, and hence me, on a couple of occasions recently. The vehicle roadway runs between the stands and the taxiway. Baggage trucks understandably have to wait for any aircraft being pushed back. Normally that would only take a moment, however they are also waiting for any aircraft starting on stand. In my experience J31s and J41s take an age to get going (they also need a GPU so always start on stand before pushback). So you can have a very lengthy wait while the baggage truck waits for the thing to move. Two starting in a row compounds the problem. The same delays apply to the coach heading for the remote stands.
Then you take the knock on delays at "peak" time and the crowds in the baggage hall become extremely agitated......
There is a however a flaw in the layout which has delayed the arrival of my baggage to the carousel, and hence me, on a couple of occasions recently. The vehicle roadway runs between the stands and the taxiway. Baggage trucks understandably have to wait for any aircraft being pushed back. Normally that would only take a moment, however they are also waiting for any aircraft starting on stand. In my experience J31s and J41s take an age to get going (they also need a GPU so always start on stand before pushback). So you can have a very lengthy wait while the baggage truck waits for the thing to move. Two starting in a row compounds the problem. The same delays apply to the coach heading for the remote stands.
Then you take the knock on delays at "peak" time and the crowds in the baggage hall become extremely agitated......
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Just heard from the crew on the way home that Aer Arran are also dropping their LTN service after Christmas. Anyone else heard this? Four LGW rotations a day though must be an improvement, and if you really,really want to be in LTN, the train from LGW South terminal takes approx 75 mins, and costs £21 each way. Makes airtravel look cheap!
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Pity if its true. From tomorrow the route drops to a daily service as opposed to twice daily, and seems to be operated by a LTN based aircraft offering an afternoon service. With BA transferring their daily rotation to LGW, this would leave LTN without an IOM connection for the first time in many years.
Aer Arran is due to start using the based aircraft to operate the twice daily WAT,with an early morning departure ex LTN, with the IOM in the afternoon, albeit with a gap, so perhaps other things are in the pipeline.
Aer Arran is due to start using the based aircraft to operate the twice daily WAT,with an early morning departure ex LTN, with the IOM in the afternoon, albeit with a gap, so perhaps other things are in the pipeline.
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For what its worth LTN is still showing as available in Jan and Feb on the Aer Arann website, unlike VLM's IOM-LCY which shows no availabilty after December.
Is this another route/operator to disappear from the IOM ?
Is this another route/operator to disappear from the IOM ?
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I guess Aer Arran got fed up with having to fork out the cost of extending Ronaldsway's operating hours - their last LTN was scheduled to arrive at 2100 and frequently arrived much later.
Airport statistics show VLM IOM/LCY at 781 pax for Sep. Running Mon-Fri that's 20 round trips say, 40 flights total. Average load is thus 19 on a 50 seater. And I've had some pretty cheap tickets, so I guess it's cheaper for them to pay for parking at LCY than operate to IOM.
Airport statistics show VLM IOM/LCY at 781 pax for Sep. Running Mon-Fri that's 20 round trips say, 40 flights total. Average load is thus 19 on a 50 seater. And I've had some pretty cheap tickets, so I guess it's cheaper for them to pay for parking at LCY than operate to IOM.
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VLM IOM-LCY is one rotation per day Mon-Fri. which is 10 flights per week. With Pax carried in Sept being 781 is average of 180 pax per month.
This works out for Sept an average of 18 passengers on a 50 seat Aircraft.
Same average seat factor as 'Haven't a clue' but with less rotations.
Not much yield here!
This works out for Sept an average of 18 passengers on a 50 seat Aircraft.
Same average seat factor as 'Haven't a clue' but with less rotations.
Not much yield here!
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Ello' new here, but not new to the Island!
From what I can work out, ATC at Ronaldsway do want to get the "knackered old 146 with it's Hurray Henry's" out first, but only cause it makes a nicer "presentation" to Manchester ATC because it's so much faster and climbs better than the turboprops. There have been numerous occasions where the 146 has been given silly speed limits stream arrivals and to stop it overtaking some of those turboprops on the way back....quite frustrating for Henry &co as it's plainly obvious that with a good 100kts or so on the TPs they'd eat it alive if given the chance.
Anyway, only one of them is a Henry you know! The rest are certainly not, and all but one would rather be flying something else, preferably younger than the cabin crew!
ATC have to my old eyes been doing a sterling job considering the chaos. They do try to get the 146 a parking position in front of the terminal, rather than bussing, but that's mainly because it needs external steps, has loads of freight as well as usually more pax than one bus can take. Logical really. During the day it's strictly first come-first served for all stands, and with this constraint the 146 crews mostly take the option if offered of waiting for a stand when it's busy around 4;30pm as the experience tells them the delay for the next rotation caused by parking facing the freight building will be more! The loaders cetainly thank them for it too!
Just one Luton left today and then we'll all see how the new schedule works out! Wish them well, because the only reason the last flights made it in nearly on time was because of the slack in the LTN rotation that allowed them to make up time. Not at LGW I suspect!
From what I can work out, ATC at Ronaldsway do want to get the "knackered old 146 with it's Hurray Henry's" out first, but only cause it makes a nicer "presentation" to Manchester ATC because it's so much faster and climbs better than the turboprops. There have been numerous occasions where the 146 has been given silly speed limits stream arrivals and to stop it overtaking some of those turboprops on the way back....quite frustrating for Henry &co as it's plainly obvious that with a good 100kts or so on the TPs they'd eat it alive if given the chance.
Anyway, only one of them is a Henry you know! The rest are certainly not, and all but one would rather be flying something else, preferably younger than the cabin crew!
ATC have to my old eyes been doing a sterling job considering the chaos. They do try to get the 146 a parking position in front of the terminal, rather than bussing, but that's mainly because it needs external steps, has loads of freight as well as usually more pax than one bus can take. Logical really. During the day it's strictly first come-first served for all stands, and with this constraint the 146 crews mostly take the option if offered of waiting for a stand when it's busy around 4;30pm as the experience tells them the delay for the next rotation caused by parking facing the freight building will be more! The loaders cetainly thank them for it too!
Just one Luton left today and then we'll all see how the new schedule works out! Wish them well, because the only reason the last flights made it in nearly on time was because of the slack in the LTN rotation that allowed them to make up time. Not at LGW I suspect!
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There have been numerous occasions where the 146 has been given silly speed limits stream arrivals and to stop it overtaking some of those turboprops on the way back....quite frustrating for Henry &co as it's plainly obvious that with a good 100kts or so on the TPs they'd eat it alive if given the chance.