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I notice if you use the pull down map on discoverjersey.com it shows Saturday flights to Jersey from Lydd 10/7 - 11/9 2010. Anyone else heard anything about these?
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That is good news.
The 60 and 90 minute drive time profiles are shown below (planning enquiry grade data) containing > 1.1M and >4.1M "usually resident population" based on 2003 census data. The 1 hour drive time includes Canterbury, Maidstone, Hastings & Ashford.
From December 13th fast train services offer 38 minute journey Ashford - St Pancras.
The 60 and 90 minute drive time profiles are shown below (planning enquiry grade data) containing > 1.1M and >4.1M "usually resident population" based on 2003 census data. The 1 hour drive time includes Canterbury, Maidstone, Hastings & Ashford.
From December 13th fast train services offer 38 minute journey Ashford - St Pancras.
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The CITG press release confirms that Lydd will be operated by a Fokker 50, as too will Oxford, which is obviously VLM/CityJet. Schedules can change, especially at this early stage, but I would take this as fairly certain. Air Southwest will operate the charter flight to Manston in 2010.
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A new air route is to operate between Kent and the Channel Islands for two months in the summer of 2010.
The service from Lydd to Jersey will run on Saturdays between 10 July and 11 September using a 50-seater plane.
A spokesman for London Ashford Airport said it was the first time for 20 years there had been a direct link with Jersey from the Kent/Sussex border.
The flights will be operated by CityJet, which already flies to Jersey from Kent International at Manston.
Lydd airport spokeswoman Jo Oliver said: "This is a fantastic opportunity for both the airport and communities across Kent and East Sussex."
In September the airport announced it was making six of its 54 staff redundant as part of a cost-cutting exercise due to the economic downturn.
The airport, which caters for light aircraft and business jets, wants to extend its runway and build a new terminal to attract more passengers and bigger airline carriers.
Shepway Council is due to consider a planning application early next year.
The service from Lydd to Jersey will run on Saturdays between 10 July and 11 September using a 50-seater plane.
A spokesman for London Ashford Airport said it was the first time for 20 years there had been a direct link with Jersey from the Kent/Sussex border.
The flights will be operated by CityJet, which already flies to Jersey from Kent International at Manston.
Lydd airport spokeswoman Jo Oliver said: "This is a fantastic opportunity for both the airport and communities across Kent and East Sussex."
In September the airport announced it was making six of its 54 staff redundant as part of a cost-cutting exercise due to the economic downturn.
The airport, which caters for light aircraft and business jets, wants to extend its runway and build a new terminal to attract more passengers and bigger airline carriers.
Shepway Council is due to consider a planning application early next year.
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The service from Lydd to Jersey will run on Saturdays between 10 July and 11 September using a 50-seater plane
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Councillors gave the go ahead to Lydd Airport’s multi-million pound expansion plans after a seven-hour meeting which ran into the early hours.
Members voted 27-12 in favour of the applications, for a 444 metre runway extension and passenger terminal, going against planning officers’ recommendations.
The officers’ objections were based mainly on ecological grounds, particularly on the effects on birds and vegetation in designated conservation areas.
Earlier, protestors both for and against the scheme had gathered outside Shepway’s Civic Centre in Folkestone, holding banners and waving placards.
Shepway MP Michael Howard led the line of speakers who addressed the full council meeting, reminding them that they were not obliged to follow the officers’ lead.
Mr Howard, who hours earlier announced he had negotiated a deal with the airport to compensate affected residents, said:
“It is clear to me that these are issues on which you the councillors are free to make up your own mind.
“You are free to come to the conclusion, as I have, that you can be reasonably satisfied that there is no reasonable scientific doubt that the integrity of the designated areas….would be adversely affected by these proposals.”
His said his recent compensation agreement was “not perfect” but would provide a degree of reassurance. He also rejected claims by action group LAAG the deal was an acknowledgement that property values would be reduced.
He said: “Jobs are scarce on Romney Marsh. Unemployment’s too high, deprivation is too high.
“These proposals offer the opportunity of regenerating the economy of the Marsh. We can and we should care about the future of the wildlife of the Marsh but we can and we should care about the future of its people too.”
Earlier planning barrister Matthew Horton QC, representing anti-expansion lobbyists LAAG, said the proposals were “damaging, dangerous and dispiriting.”
He told the council: “LAAG urges members that their duty is to protect the Marsh and not to jeopardise its long-term value for the sake of alleged jobs.
“Alleged because there may be no net gain, given that the airport may harm the tourist economy and the jobs it supports.”
Other speakers in favour of the proposal included Channel Chamber of Commerce manager Peter Hobbs and local resident Caroline Chambers.
Those speaking against included Greatstone Primary School chair of governors Paul Black and the RSPB’s Chris Corrigan.
District ward members for Lydd, Victoria Dawson and Clive Goddard, also voiced their approval.
Carole Waters of New Romney Town offered her support while Val Loseby of New Romney Coast spoke out against.
County councillor for Romney Marsh William Richardson also addressed the meeting in favour of the proposals and said priority must be given to people.
A team from Lydd Airport, led by managing director Jonathan Gordon, then gave a 15-minute presentation on the benefits their proposals would bring.
Following an adjournment, councillors debated the merits of the applications between them.
Leader of the Liberal Democrat group Lynne Beaumont said that 4-11 year old children at Greatstone would have their education disrupted by Boeing 737s flying overhead.
Ms Beaumont also said planning officers had based their findings on purely scientific fact and an open mind, not by trying to sell a business.
Tory Cabinet member for planning Hugh Barker reminded the council not to repeat the mistake when drug company Pfizer had their application for offices in Folkestone turned down and the subsequent lost job opportunities.
Conservative Jennifer Hollingsbee also said the majority of students at the Marsh Academy in New Romney, where she works, were in favour of the development as post-16 students were finding it extremely difficult to find work.
Eventually a vote was taken based on a proposal by Cabinet member for economic development Malcolm Dearden, which adopted some of the airport’s own findings. Members voted 27-12 to approve the applications, with two abstentions.
Following the meeting Lydd managing director Jonathan Gordon said the approval for the £25 million investment plan was “a victory for the people of Shepway.”
He said: “We put forward a compelling case for allowing the controlled development of the airport and when councillors took stock of the overwhelming body of evidence in front of them, they were persuaded to vote in a positive way.
“They have made the right choice for the future of our community.”
It is expected LAAG will appeal the decision which could lead to a public inquiry.
Last night’s meeting was broadcast live on the Shepway council website, where over 2,000 people logged on to watch the proceedings, together with a public showing at the Marsh Academy.
Members voted 27-12 in favour of the applications, for a 444 metre runway extension and passenger terminal, going against planning officers’ recommendations.
The officers’ objections were based mainly on ecological grounds, particularly on the effects on birds and vegetation in designated conservation areas.
Earlier, protestors both for and against the scheme had gathered outside Shepway’s Civic Centre in Folkestone, holding banners and waving placards.
Shepway MP Michael Howard led the line of speakers who addressed the full council meeting, reminding them that they were not obliged to follow the officers’ lead.
Mr Howard, who hours earlier announced he had negotiated a deal with the airport to compensate affected residents, said:
“It is clear to me that these are issues on which you the councillors are free to make up your own mind.
“You are free to come to the conclusion, as I have, that you can be reasonably satisfied that there is no reasonable scientific doubt that the integrity of the designated areas….would be adversely affected by these proposals.”
His said his recent compensation agreement was “not perfect” but would provide a degree of reassurance. He also rejected claims by action group LAAG the deal was an acknowledgement that property values would be reduced.
He said: “Jobs are scarce on Romney Marsh. Unemployment’s too high, deprivation is too high.
“These proposals offer the opportunity of regenerating the economy of the Marsh. We can and we should care about the future of the wildlife of the Marsh but we can and we should care about the future of its people too.”
Earlier planning barrister Matthew Horton QC, representing anti-expansion lobbyists LAAG, said the proposals were “damaging, dangerous and dispiriting.”
He told the council: “LAAG urges members that their duty is to protect the Marsh and not to jeopardise its long-term value for the sake of alleged jobs.
“Alleged because there may be no net gain, given that the airport may harm the tourist economy and the jobs it supports.”
Other speakers in favour of the proposal included Channel Chamber of Commerce manager Peter Hobbs and local resident Caroline Chambers.
Those speaking against included Greatstone Primary School chair of governors Paul Black and the RSPB’s Chris Corrigan.
District ward members for Lydd, Victoria Dawson and Clive Goddard, also voiced their approval.
Carole Waters of New Romney Town offered her support while Val Loseby of New Romney Coast spoke out against.
County councillor for Romney Marsh William Richardson also addressed the meeting in favour of the proposals and said priority must be given to people.
A team from Lydd Airport, led by managing director Jonathan Gordon, then gave a 15-minute presentation on the benefits their proposals would bring.
Following an adjournment, councillors debated the merits of the applications between them.
Leader of the Liberal Democrat group Lynne Beaumont said that 4-11 year old children at Greatstone would have their education disrupted by Boeing 737s flying overhead.
Ms Beaumont also said planning officers had based their findings on purely scientific fact and an open mind, not by trying to sell a business.
Tory Cabinet member for planning Hugh Barker reminded the council not to repeat the mistake when drug company Pfizer had their application for offices in Folkestone turned down and the subsequent lost job opportunities.
Conservative Jennifer Hollingsbee also said the majority of students at the Marsh Academy in New Romney, where she works, were in favour of the development as post-16 students were finding it extremely difficult to find work.
Eventually a vote was taken based on a proposal by Cabinet member for economic development Malcolm Dearden, which adopted some of the airport’s own findings. Members voted 27-12 to approve the applications, with two abstentions.
Following the meeting Lydd managing director Jonathan Gordon said the approval for the £25 million investment plan was “a victory for the people of Shepway.”
He said: “We put forward a compelling case for allowing the controlled development of the airport and when councillors took stock of the overwhelming body of evidence in front of them, they were persuaded to vote in a positive way.
“They have made the right choice for the future of our community.”
It is expected LAAG will appeal the decision which could lead to a public inquiry.
Last night’s meeting was broadcast live on the Shepway council website, where over 2,000 people logged on to watch the proceedings, together with a public showing at the Marsh Academy.
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Honest drive time from ashford station?
Bearing in mind the fast rail link to Ashford rail station, the 70 miles between Lydd and central London have been squeezed in recent years - however, what is the real world, door to door taxi drive time between Ashford rail station and the front door of the proposed new terminal?
I reckon it has to be 25-30 minutes?
Accordingly, what's the real commute from say north of the river, (W1, SW1?) to the check-in desk of the new terminal?
With Southend's new rail station a few minutes walk from their terminal and a forty-something minute run from Liverpool street, has london got two new 'London' airports in 2010 that actually give Luton, Gatwick, Stansted and Heathrow a bit of a run for their money on regional routes?
What need anymore for second runways at Stansted and Heathrow now Lydd and Southend are moving forward?
I reckon it has to be 25-30 minutes?
Accordingly, what's the real commute from say north of the river, (W1, SW1?) to the check-in desk of the new terminal?
With Southend's new rail station a few minutes walk from their terminal and a forty-something minute run from Liverpool street, has london got two new 'London' airports in 2010 that actually give Luton, Gatwick, Stansted and Heathrow a bit of a run for their money on regional routes?
What need anymore for second runways at Stansted and Heathrow now Lydd and Southend are moving forward?
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It's a nice idea to make Lydd work, but sadly those of us that reside in the real world know that it has absolutely no chance whatsoever of success.
I'm not suggesting that it has anything to do with the Gordon's, but it failed last time they tried and it will surely fail again. It's a victim of it's geographical
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I'm not suggesting that it has anything to do with the Gordon's, but it failed last time they tried and it will surely fail again. It's a victim of it's geographical
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Might have something to do with the recent announcement that they have now been granted permission to go ahead with a new runway and terminal facilities - Perhaps it will now become a 'Proper'airport, and will lose the jinx it seems to have had over the past years?
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I would rather see some of the other airports around London developed more than second runways at Stanstead and further runways at heathrow.
I wish Lydd all the best but would also like to see places such as Blackbush and Biggin Hill being able to except commercial traffic.
I wish Lydd all the best but would also like to see places such as Blackbush and Biggin Hill being able to except commercial traffic.
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Actually, even getting Cat.1 on the one runway with ILS is impossible. And most of the time when there are easterlies there can be no commercial arrivals. Not much of a prospect.
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The weather would be no friend either - I dont expect Cat III landing would be instaled for even the ammount of traffic in their wildest dreams
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Well done to Lydd after years of effort 
Like NorthSouth, I've spent the last four years living up North but originating from just down the road from LYD, in fact I did my PPL from there almost 10 years ago.
However, Ive seen one or two airports in the last few years and I'm afraid I can't exactly see LYD becoming anything more than a small commuter / VIP jet airport. Would FR or EZ move in there, I doubt it.........
Just for info to get the spotters excited, a 757 has better take off / landing performance than a 73 or one of the Airbi 320 variations but I can't see a charter airline going in there even on a 'W' patten. LGW is too close and the road / rail network isn't there yet but here's to hoping it improves.
Lydds best chance is to hope they can grow to a similar level as BLK, which is a similar size, has a matching catchment and similar infrastructure.
Like NorthSouth, I've spent the last four years living up North but originating from just down the road from LYD, in fact I did my PPL from there almost 10 years ago.
However, Ive seen one or two airports in the last few years and I'm afraid I can't exactly see LYD becoming anything more than a small commuter / VIP jet airport. Would FR or EZ move in there, I doubt it.........
Just for info to get the spotters excited, a 757 has better take off / landing performance than a 73 or one of the Airbi 320 variations but I can't see a charter airline going in there even on a 'W' patten. LGW is too close and the road / rail network isn't there yet but here's to hoping it improves.
Lydds best chance is to hope they can grow to a similar level as BLK, which is a similar size, has a matching catchment and similar infrastructure.