LYDD AIRPORT
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Good luck to them but I can't see where they will attract more passengers from than already use the airport.
The SE is well catered for by existing facilities which are far more competitive than Lydd ever could be.
Freight is an interesting proposition though, a much longer runway than that proposed is required - 2000m + to cater for the sort of freight a/c which are the realistic market - given the concentration on passengers by local competing airports freight could be Lydd's saviour, but they only have one chance to get it right.
The SE is well catered for by existing facilities which are far more competitive than Lydd ever could be.
Freight is an interesting proposition though, a much longer runway than that proposed is required - 2000m + to cater for the sort of freight a/c which are the realistic market - given the concentration on passengers by local competing airports freight could be Lydd's saviour, but they only have one chance to get it right.
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A steady stream of exec. jets and a euromanx LCY flight from the IOM maybe others I don,t know about.Airfield remained open till about 2100 .All reported on regional BBC news.Well done Lydd its facilities are excellent following all the investment
.Weather held up very well all day .
.Weather held up very well all day .
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WOW to LYX
That's what Lydd was when I made my first ever flight in an aeroplane from there to Mulhouse back in 1957 on our way over to Austria!
An uphill, unpressurized DC3 it was and my ears hurt for two days after the flight
. Love the DC3 but you won't get me flying in one again---- no siree. "Nostalgia aint what it used to be"
Thanks for the info to all who contributed to this thread. Don't forget Manston btw
Cheers
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Take a grass field (aerodrome) that fighters used in WWII and convert the mess barrack into a kind of terminal and you have a Lydd.
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Cor - did I divulge war secrets? Or can we let them out of the bag now? The BBC does
I DID say grass airfield (=aerodrome) and I think you'll find that the RAF operated from there in WWII. Anyhow, my DC3 DID fly from there in 1957 - I was on it
"Before WWI Lydd became an important artillery practice camp. Experiments with high explosives carried out on the shingle wastes around 1888 led to the invention of the explosive Lyddite. Lydd was at one time a garrison town, and the area is still an important training ground for the military.
Lydd is also the site of an airfield, the first constructed in Britain after the Second World War, Lydd Airport is now known as London Ashford Airport."
and 1940
"On October 21, a Dornier was forced to land at the Lydd aerodrome, short of fuel, having been confused in his bearings whilst attempting to return to France, by the use of recently invented equipment devised to interrupt the homing beams sent from Germany to guide such planes. The Dornier was the first example of this new type of Bomber to fall into the hands of British Intelligence.
A Wellington Bomber had the misfortune to crash-land on the 26th June on returning from a 1500-plane attack on Bremen...."
(Fm http://www.answers.com/topic/lydd)
Also http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/s...a6027833.shtml
Both sites worth reading
Airnuts
I DID say grass airfield (=aerodrome) and I think you'll find that the RAF operated from there in WWII. Anyhow, my DC3 DID fly from there in 1957 - I was on it
"Before WWI Lydd became an important artillery practice camp. Experiments with high explosives carried out on the shingle wastes around 1888 led to the invention of the explosive Lyddite. Lydd was at one time a garrison town, and the area is still an important training ground for the military.
Lydd is also the site of an airfield, the first constructed in Britain after the Second World War, Lydd Airport is now known as London Ashford Airport."
and 1940
"On October 21, a Dornier was forced to land at the Lydd aerodrome, short of fuel, having been confused in his bearings whilst attempting to return to France, by the use of recently invented equipment devised to interrupt the homing beams sent from Germany to guide such planes. The Dornier was the first example of this new type of Bomber to fall into the hands of British Intelligence.
A Wellington Bomber had the misfortune to crash-land on the 26th June on returning from a 1500-plane attack on Bremen...."
(Fm http://www.answers.com/topic/lydd)
Also http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/s...a6027833.shtml
Both sites worth reading
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Airnuts I suspect your DC3 flight was from nearby Lympne an all grass airfield a little nearer Ashford where Skyways operated their coach air services from.It closed a long time ago late 60s early 70s.You are correct there was a wartime Advanced Landing ground at Lydd but it may not have been at the exact geographical site of the current Lydd airport.Best Regards
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Lydd and Manston
Here a copy of my posting to KIA (Kent International Airport) thread which incorporates the Lydd data
Lemmeno if more required - drop a mail to
[email protected] but with subject starting [THC] to avoid trashing with the rest of the junk
www.answers.com/topic/lydd All about Lydd with a Link to
which tells us London Ashford Airport or Lydd Airport (IATA: LYX, ICAO: EGMD) is located 1.2 nautical miles (2.2 km) northeast of the town of Lydd and 12 nautical miles (22.2 km) south of Ashford in Kent, South East England. and lots more about the "Ferry Field" as it used to be known.
London Ashford Airport
Lydd AirportIATA: LYX - ICAO: EGMDSummaryAirport typePublicOperatorLondon Ashford Airport Ltd.ServesLyddElevation AMSL45 m (146 ft)Coordinates50°57′22″N, 000°56′21″ERunwaysDirectionLengthSurfacemft03/211,5054,938Grooved Asphalt
How to get to KIA
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By road fm London (90mls)
Kent International Airport (KIA) located on the Thanet Peninsula just 2mls W of Ramsgate and 72 miles E of London.
Follow M2 from the M25 until the A299. Then towards Ramsgate until A253 from where signs to KIA direct to B2050.
Passenger terminal on the B2050 (1mile from Manston).
By rail and bus:
Nearest train station is Ramsgate on the South Eastern train network (from Victoria - 2hr rail trip presently)
Then 10-minute taxi ride (£7) or #38 bus ride to/from the airport (only 4 trips per day).
NationalRail - Map www.nationalrail.co.uk/system/galleries/download/print_maps/LondonAndSouthEast.pdf
NationalExpress coaches www.nationalexpress.com/home/hp.cfm do not presently serve KIA but do serve London-Victoria to Ramsgate in approx 3hrs.
Map showing all airports close to London www.mlcengland.com/margate/travel.htm
Otherwise click around at
www.kentinternationalairport-manston.com/news-CosmoH.asp
re the Cosmos/Monarch flights to Norfolk, VA due to start in spring 2007 and at www.answers.com/kent%20international%20airport
Kent International Airport
Manston Airport
IATA: MSE - ICAO: EGMHSummaryAirport typePublicOperatorInfratilServesKentElevation AMSL54 m (178 ft)Coordinates51°20′32″N, 001°20′46″ERunwaysDirectionLengthSurfacemft10/282,7529,029Asphalt/ConcreteKent International Airport (IATA: MSE, ICAO: EGMH) is an airport in Kent, England. It was formerly called RAF Manston (a Royal Air Force airfield) – also, previously known as London Manston Airport.
History
At the outset of the Great War, the Isle of Thanet was equipped with a small and precarious landing strip for aircraft at Westgate, above the cliffs at the foot of the sea where a seaplane had been based at the end of the promenade.
The landing grounds atop the cliff soon became the scene of several accidents, with at least one plane seen to fail to stop before the end of the cliffs and tumble into the sea, which for the fortunate pilot had been on its inward tide.........
Cheers
Airnuts
PS KIA also unfortunately means "Killed in action" :-(
Lemmeno if more required - drop a mail to
[email protected] but with subject starting [THC] to avoid trashing with the rest of the junk
Lydd (LAA)
www.answers.com/topic/lydd All about Lydd with a Link to
which tells us London Ashford Airport or Lydd Airport (IATA: LYX, ICAO: EGMD) is located 1.2 nautical miles (2.2 km) northeast of the town of Lydd and 12 nautical miles (22.2 km) south of Ashford in Kent, South East England. and lots more about the "Ferry Field" as it used to be known.
London Ashford Airport
Lydd AirportIATA: LYX - ICAO: EGMDSummaryAirport typePublicOperatorLondon Ashford Airport Ltd.ServesLyddElevation AMSL45 m (146 ft)Coordinates50°57′22″N, 000°56′21″ERunwaysDirectionLengthSurfacemft03/211,5054,938Grooved Asphalt
KIA (Kent Intl Airport) Manston
How to get to KIA
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By road fm London (90mls)
Kent International Airport (KIA) located on the Thanet Peninsula just 2mls W of Ramsgate and 72 miles E of London.
Follow M2 from the M25 until the A299. Then towards Ramsgate until A253 from where signs to KIA direct to B2050.
Passenger terminal on the B2050 (1mile from Manston).
By rail and bus:
Nearest train station is Ramsgate on the South Eastern train network (from Victoria - 2hr rail trip presently)
Then 10-minute taxi ride (£7) or #38 bus ride to/from the airport (only 4 trips per day).
NationalRail - Map www.nationalrail.co.uk/system/galleries/download/print_maps/LondonAndSouthEast.pdf
NationalExpress coaches www.nationalexpress.com/home/hp.cfm do not presently serve KIA but do serve London-Victoria to Ramsgate in approx 3hrs.
Map showing all airports close to London www.mlcengland.com/margate/travel.htm
Otherwise click around at
www.kentinternationalairport-manston.com/news-CosmoH.asp
re the Cosmos/Monarch flights to Norfolk, VA due to start in spring 2007 and at www.answers.com/kent%20international%20airport
Kent International Airport
Manston Airport
IATA: MSE - ICAO: EGMHSummaryAirport typePublicOperatorInfratilServesKentElevation AMSL54 m (178 ft)Coordinates51°20′32″N, 001°20′46″ERunwaysDirectionLengthSurfacemft10/282,7529,029Asphalt/ConcreteKent International Airport (IATA: MSE, ICAO: EGMH) is an airport in Kent, England. It was formerly called RAF Manston (a Royal Air Force airfield) – also, previously known as London Manston Airport.
History
At the outset of the Great War, the Isle of Thanet was equipped with a small and precarious landing strip for aircraft at Westgate, above the cliffs at the foot of the sea where a seaplane had been based at the end of the promenade.
The landing grounds atop the cliff soon became the scene of several accidents, with at least one plane seen to fail to stop before the end of the cliffs and tumble into the sea, which for the fortunate pilot had been on its inward tide.........
Cheers
Airnuts
PS KIA also unfortunately means "Killed in action" :-(
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Detailed plans on UK planning portal
Detailed plans for the development of Lydd are now available on the UK planning portal. These include environmental and economic studies and are in two parts. The runway and new terminal.
With low cost operators achieving costs per ASK of UK Pence 4.02 the savings associated with operation from south of the LTMA may start to become attractive.
With low cost operators achieving costs per ASK of UK Pence 4.02 the savings associated with operation from south of the LTMA may start to become attractive.
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The current Lydd Airport was never an RAF station,- or grass. It was built, largely on shingle, in the early 1950s by Silver City Airways to replace the grass Lympne as the base for its 20 minute high frequency cross channel car ferry services, mainly to Le Touquet by Bristol Freighters and Superfreighters. Air Kruise (Kent) was also there with its all all passenger DC 3s and was later merged into Silver City. The simultaneous need for a Superfreighter ultra short haul replacement and the rise of the ferry companies resulted in a lingering death for Silver City and for many years the airport and its terminal were pretty moribund, a sad fate for an airport which originally was recording the highest freight tonnage of any UK airport. Geography and slow road access doesn't help it and the nearby single track link to the Rye- Ashford rail line is freight only. It will always struggle and for long haul freight Manston's USAF B-36 sized runway is a ready made much better bet and slightly better placed for access to the UK motorway system.
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rumor has it that lydd is soon to to get approval for a seperate tower and approach frequency Approach 120.7
Tower 12*.525
ATIS 129.225
not bad for an airport that was Air Ground 3 years ago
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Things are looking up a lot of dosh being spent.
The only real thing missing is some schedules to make this all work.
We will eatch with an open mouth it would be nice to see the traffic levels from the sixities or seventies going through.
The only real thing missing is some schedules to make this all work.
We will eatch with an open mouth it would be nice to see the traffic levels from the sixities or seventies going through.
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737 for Lydd
BBC Southeast were reporting this morning that Lydd are chartering a 737 to prove their systems and test reactions locally.
Good move
Flush out the NIMBYs.
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Good move
Flush out the NIMBYs.
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Hi all Looking in one of the kent newspapers the weekend think it was Kent on Sunday.It look like it had the airports fire truck about to push a 737-200 does the airport not have any tugs to do the job?
Regards
James
Regards
James
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The airport has got tugs to carry out the job , just as they did for the Lydd Airshow.
dont know where you got the idea about a fire truck pushing a 737,
i think that being in a forum about aviation you would know that this is not possible , unless of course this is some magic trick that manston ground ops have under their sleves.
just to add , the last 737 - 200 to visit was over a year ago
The airport has got tugs to carry out the job , just as they did for the Lydd Airshow.
dont know where you got the idea about a fire truck pushing a 737,
i think that being in a forum about aviation you would know that this is not possible , unless of course this is some magic trick that manston ground ops have under their sleves.
just to add , the last 737 - 200 to visit was over a year ago