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Sale imminent
There are various reports that the disposal by HAH now imminent - some says 'in the coming days' others 'next week'. One article below:
Heathrow set to sell regional airports to GIC, Ferrovial group - Sky | Reuters
Looks like a state-back Singaporean Investment fund also on board, joining Ferrovial & Macquarie.
Heathrow set to sell regional airports to GIC, Ferrovial group - Sky | Reuters
Looks like a state-back Singaporean Investment fund also on board, joining Ferrovial & Macquarie.
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A lot of rumours but our MD today advised us to take these stories with a pinch of salt until something concrete is announced.
Its all speculation. Some say HAH regional airports will stay as a group and some say the airports will be sold off individually. What is true however is nobody actually knows and like EDI if you get by all the spin from GIP things really havent changed that much there either tbh.
Its all speculation. Some say HAH regional airports will stay as a group and some say the airports will be sold off individually. What is true however is nobody actually knows and like EDI if you get by all the spin from GIP things really havent changed that much there either tbh.
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When FlyGlobespan had an aircraft based in Aberdeen some years ago for Euro Holiday destinations, didn't they do quite well out of it?
You are correct of course that when Flyglobespan operated from ABZ they done well but GSM were a Scottish focused airline and today we really dont have much of that going on at all. The fact of the matter is today most of the airlines in the UK market are European focused and when they buy an expensive object like a an aircraft they need to get as much money back as possible. ABZ, like GLA and EDI can be on their radars but getting EZY and FR for example into your airports is a battle royal which dozens of other eurocity airports and I would suggest for the ABZ management team that must be frustrating.
You are correct of course that when Flyglobespan operated from ABZ they done well but GSM were a Scottish focused airline and today we really dont have much of that going on at all. The fact of the matter is today most of the airlines in the UK market are European focused and when they buy an expensive object like a an aircraft they need to get as much money back as possible. ABZ, like GLA and EDI can be on their radars but getting EZY and FR for example into your airports is a battle royal which dozens of other eurocity airports and I would suggest for the ABZ management team that must be frustrating.
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Point of note (well to me anyway!) was that 3x Chevron G550s arrived at Dyce yesterday, departing back across the pond today.
The annual Oil Baron's ball was held yesterday, so it might have been that. But don't recall bizjets speeding across the Atlantic for this before.
Chevron announced 200+ job cuts recently, so it might have been to do with that, or more bad news (N.Sea exit?) - just have to wait & see. Or (to be hopeful) to do with their Rosebank development which was shelved. Maybe they've found a way to develop it. But we do have falling oil prices with no end in sight, which won't help the high cost N.Sea.
Puts me in mind of when a number of Gulf 2/3s arrived c1984 with Marathon execs following commissioning of the Brae complex. Which, back then, was good news!
The annual Oil Baron's ball was held yesterday, so it might have been that. But don't recall bizjets speeding across the Atlantic for this before.
Chevron announced 200+ job cuts recently, so it might have been to do with that, or more bad news (N.Sea exit?) - just have to wait & see. Or (to be hopeful) to do with their Rosebank development which was shelved. Maybe they've found a way to develop it. But we do have falling oil prices with no end in sight, which won't help the high cost N.Sea.
Puts me in mind of when a number of Gulf 2/3s arrived c1984 with Marathon execs following commissioning of the Brae complex. Which, back then, was good news!
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4th Helicopter operator in Aberdeen 2015?
NHV, Blueway To Merge Helo Operations | Aviation International News
Looking to establish a base in 2015. Ambitious, but enough jam?
Looking to establish a base in 2015. Ambitious, but enough jam?
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As many have been expecting, VS have officially confirmed that Little Red will be cut next year. MAN ends at end of W14 while ABZ & EDI will continue until the end of September.
More bitterly disappointing news for ABZ and a pretty large void to fill in the market. Will be interesting to see what, if anything, BA, EZY and BE do in response after this date. Presumably this is why ABZ appears to be chasing a competition for the LGW.
Also, I notice BE will be using the Loganair Saab 2000's for their LCY flights instead of the Dash as previously scheduled.
More bitterly disappointing news for ABZ and a pretty large void to fill in the market. Will be interesting to see what, if anything, BA, EZY and BE do in response after this date. Presumably this is why ABZ appears to be chasing a competition for the LGW.
Also, I notice BE will be using the Loganair Saab 2000's for their LCY flights instead of the Dash as previously scheduled.
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With a 2 hour block time, I doubt many businessmen are using it as it doesn't arrive early enough. 50 seats vs 78 makes more sense for a poor selling route, no matter how quick or slow.
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Ryanair return?
Reading the story re Ryanair increasing EDI-STN following the impending cessation of Little Red, there is a claim that MOL would 'love' to return to Aberdeen.
Ryanair boost for Edinburgh after Little Red demise - The Scotsman
It is literally one sentence & the quote isn't contained in the story, but potentially of interest, especially with ABZ about to change hands.
Ryanair boost for Edinburgh after Little Red demise - The Scotsman
It is literally one sentence & the quote isn't contained in the story, but potentially of interest, especially with ABZ about to change hands.
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going to be interesting to see just how high BA will drive the LHR-ABZ fares now....
of course there are currently cut-backs in the oil business in Dyce but I wonder how long it will take them to reach £ 1000 for a round trip turn up go flexible return........
of course there are currently cut-backs in the oil business in Dyce but I wonder how long it will take them to reach £ 1000 for a round trip turn up go flexible return........
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Strange comment for MOL to make. Surely if they would love to be here they would be. What's stopping them - catchment, only 80 aircraft parked up in winter, flying pigs?
Also, amusing to see BA will rather cheekily be re-launching LCY-ABZ next May, at once weekly Up Friday, Down Sunday! (To accommodate the weekend sun charters of course!)
Also, amusing to see BA will rather cheekily be re-launching LCY-ABZ next May, at once weekly Up Friday, Down Sunday! (To accommodate the weekend sun charters of course!)
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Will BA be operating it as a scheduled route & actually selling seats? As you say Capt D, purely to position the a/c up to operate the IT flights.
I would liked to have seen the newspaper expand on the MOL Aberdeen comment. It was in their subtext below the main strapline, but whatever he said, the paper condensed it to a passing sentence. So no idea of the context in which the apparent comment was made - eg. did he say ..."only if I can get a suitable deal" (which is stating the bleeding I guess!). To be fair the paper being EDI-based was concentrating on the story as it concerned them locally.
I would liked to have seen the newspaper expand on the MOL Aberdeen comment. It was in their subtext below the main strapline, but whatever he said, the paper condensed it to a passing sentence. So no idea of the context in which the apparent comment was made - eg. did he say ..."only if I can get a suitable deal" (which is stating the bleeding I guess!). To be fair the paper being EDI-based was concentrating on the story as it concerned them locally.
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Looks to be, you can book it, although somehow you're cheaper to fly with bags than without.
I wonder if ABZ-GVA does well, would EZY be interested in further expansion from here, perhaps testing the water with this route?
I wonder if ABZ-GVA does well, would EZY be interested in further expansion from here, perhaps testing the water with this route?
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Loss of routes
Might be worth noting that with the loss of:
Virgin Heathrow
Bmi kristinsund
Air Baltic riga
Flyer london City/ change to flybe
That aberdeen has lost over 10,000 weekly seats, so over 500k a year.
A huge amount to lose and not easily replaced.
Will be interesting to see how the airport goes ahead to fill the void and continue growth, especially since the flybe Gatwick pax have not been replaced even after 2 years since route withdrawal.
Virgin Heathrow
Bmi kristinsund
Air Baltic riga
Flyer london City/ change to flybe
That aberdeen has lost over 10,000 weekly seats, so over 500k a year.
A huge amount to lose and not easily replaced.
Will be interesting to see how the airport goes ahead to fill the void and continue growth, especially since the flybe Gatwick pax have not been replaced even after 2 years since route withdrawal.
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they've lost the seats but presumably not 10,000 passengers a week otherwise the airlines would still be flying the routes
What ABZ (and every other airport) needs is PROFITABLE flights
Just how many poeple are there in the catchment area? how often do they fly on their holidays?? what is the euro- business demand to places other than Oslo, Stavanger, Paris & Amsterdam???? Could ABZ be able to support 2 -3 times a week Dubai service (NCL having a daily one)????
I suspect the issue is actually the number of people - 220,00 in Aberdeen + 248,000 in Aberdenshire + 87,000 in Moray + 100,000 in Angus but half of those are closer to EDI so lets say 650,000 population = approx 300,000 households
Grampian had (2011) 325,00 foreign visitors (all causes) but not sure how many came by air
N E England has a population of 2.5 million - that's maybe why they can support a Dubai connection from NCL
What ABZ (and every other airport) needs is PROFITABLE flights
Just how many poeple are there in the catchment area? how often do they fly on their holidays?? what is the euro- business demand to places other than Oslo, Stavanger, Paris & Amsterdam???? Could ABZ be able to support 2 -3 times a week Dubai service (NCL having a daily one)????
I suspect the issue is actually the number of people - 220,00 in Aberdeen + 248,000 in Aberdenshire + 87,000 in Moray + 100,000 in Angus but half of those are closer to EDI so lets say 650,000 population = approx 300,000 households
Grampian had (2011) 325,00 foreign visitors (all causes) but not sure how many came by air
N E England has a population of 2.5 million - that's maybe why they can support a Dubai connection from NCL
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...and pray who is going to run a 2-3 week rotation to Dubai? The runway is too short by a good 500m and the apron would need vastly expanding. Only Etihad or Qatar have suitable equipment to get into Dyce in its present form and Dyce is becoming increasingly enchroached on a daily basis. I would imagine there is not enough cargo space to make the route viable, without the right aircraft. I also dont see anyone running a BBJ type service either, pie in the sky IMO.
Remember Azal tried to run to GYD, It failed miserably, all the BP related personnel preferred to route through LHR and maintain their gold cards, rather than risk loosing status on Azal.
If ABZ wants long haul its needs to invest in proper infrastructure, not making a quick £ kill making more OFS office space.
Remember Azal tried to run to GYD, It failed miserably, all the BP related personnel preferred to route through LHR and maintain their gold cards, rather than risk loosing status on Azal.
If ABZ wants long haul its needs to invest in proper infrastructure, not making a quick £ kill making more OFS office space.
