Emirates

[matkat]

great news if confirmed, I was a part of the team brought in by RR after the QA incidence and am sure all problems were resolved and it is now a very good motor after all the consultancy work I no longer work for RR but credit where it is due.

[Offchocks]

QA incidence

Have I missed something or do you mean the Qantas (QF) engine failure out of Singapore?

[Wizofoz]

RR Trents for Emirates A380s

Emirates signs historic $9.2 billion order with Rolls-Royce for A380 engines

[Seljuk22]

Operational changes

01 June
MXP JFK (EK205/206) from daily B77W to daily A380
MXP (EK091/092) from daily A380 to daily B77W
OSL (EK159/160) from daily B77L to daily B77W
DME (EK133/134) from daily B77W to daily B77L
DAC (EK586/587) from daily B77W (2-class) to A332
SEZ (EK705/706) from daily A332 to daily B77W
BEY (EK953/954) from daily A332 to daily B77L
BUD (EK111/112) from daily A332 (2-class) to daily A332 (3-class)

03 June
NEW: DPS (EK398/399) daily B77W (2-class)

01 July:
DUS (EK055/056) from daily B77W to daily A380
DME (EK131/132) from daily B773 to daily B77W
CCJ (EK562/563) from 6 weekly to daily 772/773 (new with first class)
BEY (EK955/956) new 5 weekly with A332

06 July:
PER (EK424/425) from daily B77L to daily B77W
PER (EK422/423) service suspended

07 July:
SEA (EK227/228) new 2nd daily with B77L

01 August:
MAD (EK141/142) from daily B77W to daily A380
BHX (EK041/042) new 3rd daily with B77W (3-class)

01 September:
HKG (EK380/381) from EQV (B77W+A380) to daily A380
GIG EZE (EK247/248) from daily B77L to daily B77W
NEW: MCO (EK219/220) daily B77L

01 October:
ZRH (EK085/086) from daily B77W to daily A380
DME (EK133/134) from daily B77L to 4 weekly B77W
BOS (EK239/240) new 2nd daily with B77W
SGN (EK392/393) from daily A343 to daily B77W (2-class)
KBL (EK640/641) from daily A345 to daily A343
BEY (EK955/956) from 6 weekly A332 to daily A343
CMN (EK753/754) second daily service suspended

03 November:
NEW: BLQ (EK093/094) daily B77W

01 December:
CPH (EK151/152) from daily B77W (2-class) to daily A380 (2-class)
TPE (EK366/367) from daily B77W (3-class) to daily B77W (2-class)
DME (EK133/134) from 4 weekly B77W to daily B77W
WAW (EK179/180) from daily A332 to daily B77W
MLE CMB (EK652/653) from daily B773 to daily B77W
BUD (EK111/112) from daily A332 to daily B773

01 January 2016:
LGW (EK009/010) from daily A380 (3-class) to A380 (2-class)
KUL (EK346/347) from daily B77W to daily A380
KUL (EK342/343) from daily B773 to daily B77W
AMM (EK905/906) from daily A332 to daily B773
BEY (EK957/958) from daily A332 to daily B773
BHX (EK041/042) from daily B77W (3-class) to daily B77W (2-class)

01 February 2016:
FCO (EK095/096) from daily B77W to daily A380
BCN (EK187/188) from daily B77L to daily B77W

01 March 2016:
MXP (EK091/092) from daily B77W to daily A380
KHI (EK610/611) from daily A332 to daily B77W

[EK77WNCL]

Does anybody think that, depending on what aircraft emirates chooses as their regional replacement, there could be space in their fleet for both the A350 and A330neo? (assuming the 787 10 still doesn't come up with the required thrust)

A350 900 for long and thin routes where the 778X would be too much aircraft
A330 800 for shorter regional routes, same as how the A330 200 is used now

A330 900... I'd say too much overlap along with the other two, unless the 800 was 3 class and the 900 was 2 class which would put a good 100 passengers (easily) between the two

[CabinCrewe]

The 787 'issues' will suddenly be overcome. Cant see A330neo

[EK77WNCL]

I'd like to see the A330neo... I'd like to see the A350, I'm not so bothered about the 7810

I don't understand how they intend to serve the really small markets with a 300+ seater, like terciary or quarternary cities on the Indian subcontinent/CIS/Europe etc.

i.e if emirates wanted to serve Belfast or Exeter or Aberdeen, I can't see a daily 300+ being viable as the smallest option (maybe from Belfast), but one day EK will more than likely be looking to serve these cities. Personally I would argue the case for a "mainline" version of Flydubai using A321neoLR. If Singapore airlines can make it work with Singapore/Silkair/Tigerair I can't see why emirates couldn't. They are in no position to do it now, however with the constraints at DXB.

[Tower Ranger]

Just curious, what constraints at DXB do you mean?

[EK77WNCL]

Lack of gates, lack of slots, lack of runways, lack of airspace etc. etc. etc.

[ATNotts]

Originally Posted by EK77WNCL

Lack of gates, lack of slots, lack of runways, lack of airspace etc. etc. etc.

If I'm not mistaken there is a new airport recently opened in Dubai which is the size of a small country! Can't see gates and runway capacity being any problem whatsoever.

[TSR2]

If I'm not mistaken there is a new airport recently opened in Dubai

Correct. Al Maktoum International Airport opened in 2010 initially for freight only. Passenger services are gradually being introduced and will be capable of handling 160 million passengers per year when fully operational.

[cornishsimon]

EK/BE codeshares

Does anyone know when these codeshares are likely to be loaded and on sale ?




cs

[rutankrd]

Already available to book via Emirates site from a variety of Flybe destinations over Manchester.

And rightly Emirates show the correct Flybe flight number and carrier.

Imo Codeshares are blatant lies and should be banned period !

[cornishsimon]

Thanks. But that has been the case for quite some time.
I'm interestwd in when the codeshares come into effect.


cs

[rutankrd]

Why ?

Its just EK on BE.

No real difference -you won't get Flybe selling EK !

[Tower Ranger]

Lack of Rwys and Lack of slots? More homework needed methinks.

[EK77WNCL]

Having passed through Dubai 20+ times since October 2008 and after hearing many (varied) stories from others about Dubai, I assure you that there is not a hope in hell's chance that DXB as it stands could support another major carrier based there with 50-100 aircraft (as I suggest).

During peak periods at DXB there is a shortage of slots... Yes if you fly in in the afternoon there's plenty of space but between 8pm and 8am the airport is essentially at capacity.

Yes DWC has been built but currently it has a single runway with one small terminal capable of handling (correct me if I'm wrong) 7 million passengers per year? Comparable to Newcastle, Bristol or Edinburgh. Emirates won't be getting a whiff of Dubai World Central (Al Maktoum) until after 2025 when it is intended they move there. Currently the plan is Flydubai move there within the next 12/18 months and then either swap back in 2025 so EK flies from DWC and FZ from DXB, or all airlines move to DWC. It's all a bit up in the air at the minute but if Emirates wants to avoid stagnating for the next 10 years they need more room at DXB and that is being done by building the new terminal (T4/Concourse D) for foreign carriers - which will be opening very soon - and giving all of Terminal 1 and 3 (concourses A, B, C) to Emirates then moving Flydubai out to facilitate expansion. What will then happen to Terminal 2/Concourse F, I do not know, but I believe that these are the plans.

I foresee a squeeze at current DWC when 48 737 800's pitch up outside...

[Tower Ranger]

Well i guess I pass through the airport around 20 times a month on my way to taking a seat in the VCR so i'll have to respectfully disagree with your assertions. Whilst some of the highest hourly movement rates are at night we are not operating at full capacity from 8pm-8am, far from it. The nightly peaks are matched by the morning rush hours.

As far as Rwy capacity goes we have the luxury of being able to use single Rwy ops for 3 to 4 hours every day so again plenty of capacity available there too. You mention "DXB as it stands" but you miss the point, DXB doesn't just stand, it is constantly working to increase capacity and handle the continuous monthly growth. I'm sure you have the actual figures somewhere but i'd be very surprised if the number of new airframes which will be based here by both FlyDubai and Emirates in the next 12 months is less than 30.

As regards DWC being "Squeezed" by 48 A/C, don't worry they'll be ready for it when it happens.

[Mr Mac]

Tower Ranger
I do respectfully think there are some issues with capacity with DXB judging from trips through there which for me started in the early 1980,s when I was involved in the first "new" terminals as they then were. You are correct in that DXB has grown to meet demand, and still does so. However as a regular through there (20-30 P/A) one does spend quite a time now in various holding patterns as the various waves arrive, as confirmed by EK pilots I know, as well as sometimes being parked seemingly halfway to Muscat, or in down town depending on where you have arrived from, with a long bus journey to the terminal. Not too bad in winter but not so in summer, or during one of the flash floods that your abode occasionally has ! I suspect depending on land prices, and DXB economy, you will see DXB given over to EK with everyone else moved off down the road. But as everything out there, things do change, sometimes quite quickly with know apparent reason !


Regards
Mr Mac

[EK77WNCL]

I always like to defend DXB when I can, I've never had any problems personally with DXB, I can only think of two minor inconveniences, both occuring on the same trip in August last year, my most recent passage through DXB.
1.) Arrival from NCL held for over half an hour-ish, 2/3 orbits, still landed early though
2.) Delayed over an hour on stand DXB-BKK, something to do with cargo loading then lost our slot, still only marginally late into BKK (something like 15 minutes I think)
Nothing to write home or complain about

I really want to know what's going to happen with DXB/DWC, my thinking is:
- Flydubai out to DWC ASAP
- All other airlines move out at some point...
- EK left at DXB as the sole carrier
- Late 2020's EK/FZ swap places
- Eventually when all 4 concourses at DWC open, all carriers move to DWC. DXB to close? Don't know