PRESTWICK

[gopaisleygo]

Crumbs, that's great!

[ScotsSLF]

All crumbs accepted!

[Tiger8]

Berne fllights were a misprint. Always was Glasgow unfortunately.

[12-30 Wind Sock]

Loving the fact that certain people mentioned Ryanair moving to GLA in October from their sources. Now The FACT is that Ryanair has extended flights from PIK during this period. I said it in previous posts that this would not happen. Can these people please log in to apologise... Would be much appreciated..

[Skipness One Echo]

Loving the fact that certain people mentioned Ryanair moving to GLA

Actually the person who suggested did not say this.
What was suggested was Ryanair had made a deal to begin GLA flights, which then opened a debate on whether they would move lock, stock and barrel or run a split operation.

Now The FACT is that Ryanair has extended flights from PIK during this period.

Using words like "FACT" in big letters to make your point is silly, as was explained to you before, FR are perfectly capable, as Northwest, Air Canada, Globespan, Aer Arann et al have done previously, to take and bank bookings for Glasgow(PIK) only to operate from Glasgow (GLA). I make no judgement on whether FR will operate from GLA though it is an open secret talks were held and it remains unlikely they will continue to ignore GLA in the medium term as their revised business model is rolled out.

That last point is key to understanding, having said that, there is a good wee market for West of Scotland sun holidays on the cheap, however PIK suffers from a perception of little attraction for inbound tourism in comparison with GLA.

[12-30 Wind Sock]

Skippy i expect an apology from You and your Negative Gang at the end of october. When Does all this negativity end with you ? . We have heard all this before. I bet you wait each and every day for someone to post something positive on here about prestwick then you dig out a big speel that is based purely on guessing and spouting off negative nonsense. Please move to the GLA Threads cos you are not doing much on here. Move it

[Skipness One Echo]

Please move to the GLA Threads cos you are not doing much on here.

Yeah, this isn't school and you don't get to tell people where to go.
I explained as best I could, using little words where possible, the commercial reality. I'm sorry we disagree but I am a Prestwick supporter as a quick scan up the thread, for those of us who are considerate to read and understand, will show.

I have no intention of apologising for pointing out the business imperatives which will drive the decision making process with reference to facilities and a revised and less "downmarket" business model. It's pathetic to suggest people who disagree with you have an agenda and spend their days plotting to do down PIK. Please grow up, if you wish to contribute,please try and raise your game beyond the juvenile.

Move it

#notaplayground

[12-30 Wind Sock]

There is no way your a prestwick supporter. This is school and the bell has finally sounded for you. I do get the impression you probably post all on most threads on PPRUNE ???????. Cardiff , Manchester, etc....... ??? . Maybe you could post your " business imperatives " and all these other Airport forums and not just on Prestwicks or have you already done that ?

[Facelookbovvered]

Wind sock

Let me help skippy out here.

I'm neither for or against PIK i really don't give a FF whether it stays open or closes, it has no effect on me either way.

The point being made in general is that the business case for using public money to keep it open (it's losing money and will likely continue to do so for the foreseable future) is based on it's only commercial airline staying put i.e. Ryanair

Ryanair are masters at this game, the SNP led Scottish Government are at best rank amateurs, who will be played, Government in general are crap at this game which is why most stay out if they have any sense.

simply wanting PIK to be a busy international airport will not make it so, I'm frankly staggered by your assertion that the only people who should post on the PIK thread should be PIK supporter???? WTF

I bet you support a YEs vote too, but I'm with you on that pal, sadly living the wrong/right side of the border means i don't get a say.

Put simply there is no way that the Scottish executive will take the difficult decisions to either expand (they can't afford it) or cut costs ( -jobs = - votes) at PIK, meanwhile Ryanair will play you for fools, they ain't stupid

Welcome to Skintland

[Tiger8]

12-30 Windsock, Ryanair have announced more bucket and spade flights for September and October. Nothing more, nothing less.
The winter sched is still to be finalized, and as Skipness said, even if it showed PIK-DUB, that counts for nothing at this stage of the year.
Lets wait for the governments reaction to Mr Pye`s report. Hopefully we may see some movement after that.

[nighthawk117]

however PIK suffers from a perception of little attraction for inbound tourism in comparison with GLA.

I wouldn't have thought this would be the case. Inbound passengers, especially tourists, generally have little knowledge of the local area, and will not know which airport is most convenient for where they are heading. Therefore to them PIK is just as desirable as GLA, and often they won't even know that there is more than one airport serving the city they are heading to. Only repeat tourists would know the difference between the two and factor this in when making a booking.

It's only really outbound passengers who will make a choice based on the desirability of the airport.

[Skipness One Echo]

The available data suggests otherwise. Remember that a lot of our outbound market know, for example, that Beauvais is not anywhere near Paris and factor this in when booking. The Ryanair generation are pretty savvy, and becoming more so which is why Ryanair have always, always known that competing on price only gets them so far. This is why they're looking to fly from BRU as well as CRL and moving into mainstream airports.

[ATNotts]

12-30 Windsock

There is no way your a prestwick supporter

Do "Prestwick Supporters" wear "Prestwick" shirts, turn up on the touchline (well perimeter fence) and shout abuse at the officials???

This isn't some football team there to keep neanderthal man happy on a Saturday afternoon - it's a business, which (unlike football teams) needs to attract customers, and make money to remain a business.

"Supporting" an airport, with anything other than money is futile.

[Facelookbovvered]

Wind sock

You just don't get it do you? are you a professional pilot? WTF do you think pPrune stands for??

I'm interested in the airline industry in general as well as being a ATPL holder and Captain on B737's

So when you have a market like Scotland that has two privately owned airports in the central belt that seem to be doing a good job and one that has lame duck written all over it, dependant on state aid for meeting it day to day operating costs and owned by the Scottish Government that is in itself dependant on the UK for its funding (it has no tax raising power and therefore no income) then i think it is perfectly legitimate for me or anyone else to ask for what end this money is being spent?

That fact that i'm not affected by the future of this airport or indeed many others throughout Europe is irrelevant.

If you wish to continue with your "spectator fence" approach then fine, but I would suggest it belongs on a 'we love Prestwick' Facebook page where you can get lots of 'Likes'

[ATNotts]

12-30 Windsock

Notts ? is it a crime to suppport and be positive about your local airport ?. Just looming for the airport to have a good future that is all. We do not need lies and made up stories from idiots.

" stand up if you hate Notts , stand up if you notts "

I don't always agree with "facelookbovvered" but I'm with him here 100%.

And as for your rather silly response - I haven't got an "airport shirt", and to be honest, the issues with PIK can be seen in several other UK airfields, that want to be, or were once airports - e.g. Teesside, Blackpool, Carlisle, Manston, Bournemouth, Coventry, Humberside amongst others!

Problem is that these airport's supporters are equally unable to see the financial realities through their own rose tinted glasses.

[12-30 Wind Sock]

Facelookbovvered your are more like captain birdseye. And its none of your business if im a pilot or not. Does the scottish government affect you ?. Notts do you go on all airports forums u mentioned and degrade them ? Is that how you get your kicks ? Does the airport affect you ?. Why so negative captain birdseye and captain phillips ?

[TSR2]

Why so negative captain birdseye and captain phillips ?

I wouldn't call it negative .... just realistic.

[12-30 Wind Sock]

Happy 20 years Ryanair at Prestwick ! The future is bright the future is Ryanair. Cmon Facey , Skippy , Notts , TSR, Round of applause please,,, yous all love Prestwick ( Your are addicted ) . Onwards and Upwards..

[The Hypnoboon]

Well, the end of May will soon be upon us and Mr Py will have his report to make to the Scottish Government on Prestwick. This could well be very key to the future of Prestwick Airport as we know it.
In my opinion there is a future for Prestwick to continue as a passenger airport, IF, the cost base can be properly managed and allows the airport to return to generating profits, but this will be difficult to do without GLA and EDI playing the state aid card.
I don't see any real negativity here, just some realism over passenger operations. However there are other ways for PIK to generate income, through cargo, GA, training, property etc but these also have to be managed in the right way and made appealing to parties that might be interested.
Certainly over the next few months there could be some painful decisions made, that will not please everyone but may be better for the airport in the long run.

[durry]

As Ryanair are the only passenger airline using Prestwick at the moment, they or someone else need to use the airport on a more regular hourly schedule to make use of terminal facilities , ie shops, bars etc. For this to happen domestic and international routes need to be started and roughly 2.5 million passengers carried, which is roughly break even for the airport