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The airport has handled 170 passengers at once before for two flights at same time so 19 more wont cause.major problem. That cost was made at.hight of the boom so a lot can be taken off it if vauled today.
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A lot. There's a road at both ends of the runway which would need rerouting or tunnelling. Terminal while functional for a 70 seater is far too small for a 189 seater.
The extension that never happened was apparently still too short for a fully laden 738, it was priced at >€25M.
The M9 and N25 are both killing and capable of saving WAT - they makes the airport a lot closer to a lot of areas that would be consider its service area; but it also makes them a lot closer to DUB. The old N9 was a cart track, the worst national primary in the country.
The extension that never happened was apparently still too short for a fully laden 738, it was priced at >€25M.
The M9 and N25 are both killing and capable of saving WAT - they makes the airport a lot closer to a lot of areas that would be consider its service area; but it also makes them a lot closer to DUB. The old N9 was a cart track, the worst national primary in the country.
While you are right in saying that there are roads at each end of the runway at WAT, there is still a capability of extending the current runway to 1850m x 45m without encroaching on either road.
As EI-A330-300 pointed out, the cost of a runway extension would be significantly less in the current economic climate, not forgetting that the €27.5m capital expenditure was to encompass an entire facility upgrade as well as the runway. €1m would extend the runway now.
Completely and utterly disagree with you on the road argument. WAT provides and cheap, fast and comfortable alternative to ORK and DUB. 500,000 people in WAT's catchment.
Sad day today but I think there will be a new operator in before the start of the summer, all the best to everyone at Waterford Airport.
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The M9 has good and bad affects. Dublin Airport in less than 2 hours but Kilkenny to Waterford airport in 40 minutes. That's around half the time it took before M9 and city bypass opened and thats if you don't get stuck behind a lorry.
The N25 isn't a major threat as people who live in Dungarvan its still slighty faster to Waterford than Cork Airport.
Had work started in 2010 on the M25 Rosslare/Wexford-Waterford road it would be open this year and would draw a lot of people from Wexford to use the airport as its a nightmare now with tailbacks for miles everyday.
I am confident a operator will be there in March.
The N25 isn't a major threat as people who live in Dungarvan its still slighty faster to Waterford than Cork Airport.
Had work started in 2010 on the M25 Rosslare/Wexford-Waterford road it would be open this year and would draw a lot of people from Wexford to use the airport as its a nightmare now with tailbacks for miles everyday.
I am confident a operator will be there in March.
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You sound like a man who has read a lot of newspapers, and we all know the media are very lazy when its comes to reporting on aviation.
The only things that come from any level of media were the 2007 pricing and the claims that the phase 1 runway extension was too short for a fully-laden FR B738.
Unless I'm having serious measurement difficulties I cannot see how the proposed phase 2 extension (to 2288m) can fit without requiring either realignment of roads or closing them while the runway is active.
Completely and utterly disagree with you on the road argument. WAT provides and cheap, fast and comfortable alternative to ORK and DUB. 500,000 people in WAT's catchment.
The flipside is that Waterford is now significantly quicker to get to from Kilkenny, etc.
Good luck finding a contractor to extend the runway to 1850x45 for 1M - the resurfacing at CFN cost over twice that for a shorter runway. Add in the costs of significant new foundations and drainage... try 5M, maybe, if you're lucky.
Should add that based on loads when I used WAT, I'm surprised RE are leaving, can only assume its due to them needing the craft for feeding EI TA at DUB and would be surprised if there wasn't at least WAT-LON running again by the summer.
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EI-A330 - hope those discussions and other plans progress quickly. Allowing a couple of months between seats going on sale and flights starting means there is not long left if flying is to begin in the spring. The anouncement about Aer Lingus Regional / Aer Arann routes to Luton and Southend being cut was made in early November so there has already been quite a bit of time so far to bring in a new operator for the route.
Not saying it won't happen - just that time is beginning to be pressing...
Not saying it won't happen - just that time is beginning to be pressing...
Flybe announced BHX-WAT on 17th Jan 2012 for a 25th March 2012 start. Recall also that Easter Sunday is on 31 March this year so aircraft need to be flying by about 24 March 2013 if one is to capture the potential spike in traffic.
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Unfortunately Flybe are currently not in the running, either are BMIr. I would be confident of some sort of announcement by the end of the month or during February.
Interesting development is all I can say. Did not see this one coming.
Rex
Interesting development is all I can say. Did not see this one coming.
Rex
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Maybe I wasn't clear, you would do the job for €1m by extending the runway alone to 1800m and not widening it. There is already and 300m RESA in situ at the threshold of 03 so that would be a quick and cheap job. No drainage/foundations required as they are already in place. I am hearing the figure of 2288m alot but this was never in the plan for the runway extension, can you show me a link to that?
Phase 2 was always a non runner, something to be thought about in 10-15 years time, something to suggest progression.
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Phase 2 was always a non runner, something to be thought about in 10-15 years time, something to suggest progression.
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Would just like to point out that 1850m runway would be fine for a fully loaded Ryanair B737-800. ABZ and BHD two airports Ryanair served and ABZ had no restrictions on DUB flights not sure what the story is with BHD-UK routes but think they were allowed operate at capacity on a 1829m runway. Anyway I think Waterford would have standards and attract EI before Ryanair.
If you can rule out Cityjet/Air France then it will be an intresting development. Can you?
Unfortunately Flybe are currently not in the running, either are BMIr. I would be confident of some sort of announcement by the end of the month or during February.
Interesting development is all I can say. Did not see this one coming.
Rex
Interesting development is all I can say. Did not see this one coming.
Rex
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Originally Posted by RE-tard:7616822
Unfortunately Flybe are currently not in the running, either are BMIr. I would be confident of some sort of announcement by the end of the month or during February.
Interesting development is all I can say. Did not see this one coming.
Rex
Interesting development is all I can say. Did not see this one coming.
Rex
While a longer runway would likely be worthwhile long term for Waterford, may I ask all with good knowledge of Waterford where the 1m euros (or more) would come from ? It seems unlikely that Dublin is in the mood to put up large amounts of cash any time soon, and I doubt Waterford will be in a position soon to be able to credibly ask for a bank loan convince a lender they can meet debt repayments - wpuld have thought it necessary to show a handful of existing thriving regional routes before progressing to B737 / A320 size aircraft
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Waterford - new operator to replace Aer Arann
What are the prospects that a Saab 2000 will be the aircraft that will operate the route?
BA operated by Eastern Airways?
Compared to IOM the prospects in terms of passenger numbers must be there, and the yield could be just as good given the IOM competitive environment?
Also for MAN - just a thought but what about Sun Air of Scandinavia doing a MAN WAT rotation say twice per week, as an extention of their BA branded Billund Manchester route. Dornier 328 Jet they are using.....?
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BA operated by Eastern Airways?
Compared to IOM the prospects in terms of passenger numbers must be there, and the yield could be just as good given the IOM competitive environment?
Also for MAN - just a thought but what about Sun Air of Scandinavia doing a MAN WAT rotation say twice per week, as an extention of their BA branded Billund Manchester route. Dornier 328 Jet they are using.....?
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Cityjet could work operationally well in some ways at WAT, given the closure of LCY at 1230 on Saturdays until Sunday at 1230, a departure to WAT SAT morning could do 2 weekend sorties to say Faro and Malaga from WAT and then be back into LCY from WAT on Sun pm to meet the Sunday evening demand ex LCY.
However, given WXs challenges I just cannot see them starting an operation at WAT....
However, given WXs challenges I just cannot see them starting an operation at WAT....
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LCY would be good I'm not sure the flights would ever come in at a price suitable for the market, it would be a good coup though. Anybody know anything else? RE-tard??
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If Cityjet looked at it I would think they could not base an RJ there for a desireable early morning late evening op. Perhaps a DUB-WAT-LCY and later in the day LCY-WAT-DUB. The deadleg to/from Dub could be sold cheap just to contribute towards costs. LCY very much a business high yield destination, WAT needs LTN back. I imagine that the RJ85s are expensive to operate ? Do they have any Fokkers available ?
I would agree that Flybe with the Dash would be great, but I would have thought if they were going to bite they would have done so by now
and we would be hearing about it, but who knows ?
I would agree that Flybe with the Dash would be great, but I would have thought if they were going to bite they would have done so by now
and we would be hearing about it, but who knows ?
