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It still doesn't explain the differentiation. BA short haul has unbundled fares, and will shortly charge for food and drink. Does that mean that BA short haul will be classed as LCC?
My point is that classifying airlines according to a binary 'full service' V 'low cost' determination is completely useless.
My point is that classifying airlines according to a binary 'full service' V 'low cost' determination is completely useless.
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I must confess hope HAL have deep pockets as the law courts are going to be kept busy with this for years.
I hope T May sticks the course although given the way the wind is blowing it may turn into a poison chalice!
I hope T May sticks the course although given the way the wind is blowing it may turn into a poison chalice!
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Looking at the % share also suggests BA is considered FSC for that comparison.
HAL do have deep pockets, but me thinks the Judicial Review is directed at HMG on the process of reaching a decision based on information and advice from civil servants, not HAL. 
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Interesting reading in The Daily Telegraph on Saturday 23rd:
I ran the Airports Commission: Forget Gatwick. Expand Heathrow now and Birmingham later
Howard Davies describes the ex-PM thus:
Which indicates that Cameron appointed the Commission and said all the usual words and might not have held true to all that.
I ran the Airports Commission: Forget Gatwick. Expand Heathrow now and Birmingham later
Howard Davies describes the ex-PM thus:
David Cameron remained an immovable object
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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...eathrow-report
I see this is being raked up again.
In my view the integrity of Davies could not be questioned other may disagree.
I see this is being raked up again.
In my view the integrity of Davies could not be questioned other may disagree.
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Transport Chris Grayling is set to signal an appetite for new runways at UK regional airports this week, when he announces a government decision on expanding either Heathrow or Gatwick | City A.M.
This is beyond barmy. Birmingham couldn't fill a second runway if you waited until 2116 !!!!!!!
And seemingly what Manchester wants is simple levels of connectivity / investment in antiquated road and rail not runways.
Offering something nobody
wants is a "perverse tactic " !
From £12bn there must be some small change left , why not give them a couple of million each. I doubt their MPs and media will know the difference!
This is beyond barmy. Birmingham couldn't fill a second runway if you waited until 2116 !!!!!!!
And seemingly what Manchester wants is simple levels of connectivity / investment in antiquated road and rail not runways.
Offering something nobody
wants is a "perverse tactic " !
From £12bn there must be some small change left , why not give them a couple of million each. I doubt their MPs and media will know the difference!
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QF to launch direct Perth in March 2018.
The Guardian - Qantas confirms non stop Perth to London flights from March 2018.
The Guardian - Qantas confirms non stop Perth to London flights from March 2018.
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New Yorkers' 98-year wait for train over as new £3.6bn subway launches | London Evening Standard
Let's hope it won't be as long a wait for another Heathrow rwy!
It's already 48 years since Harold Wilson first mooted expansion.............
Let's hope it won't be as long a wait for another Heathrow rwy!
It's already 48 years since Harold Wilson first mooted expansion.............
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Croatia Airlines possibly to sell mid/late morning slot pair on 5 days per week to Delta effective 1 April. It seems the Croatian Govt are less than happy. Croatia will retain their late afternoon slots. OU have reportedly lost money heavily on their London-Zagreb route over the last 10 years
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HAL sent out 3,500 letters to either occupiers/land owners/land registry details etc as preliminary notice of Compulsory Orders for land and property etc, on 3rd January 2017.
This includes 750 dwellings, and at least 300 acres of land to be used for spoil/access.
Separately, a High Court judge dismissed an application for local boroughs to proceed at this time with a Judicial review.
The planning appeal decision ** - 18 months in waiting - for full departures ops on 09L now to come in the National Planning statement.
** This should not have occurred as it was a separate matter altogether and pre dates R3.
This includes 750 dwellings, and at least 300 acres of land to be used for spoil/access.
Separately, a High Court judge dismissed an application for local boroughs to proceed at this time with a Judicial review.
The planning appeal decision ** - 18 months in waiting - for full departures ops on 09L now to come in the National Planning statement.
** This should not have occurred as it was a separate matter altogether and pre dates R3.
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This part particularly is interesting.
The airport scheme promoters have pledged to meet the cost of surface access
schemes required to enable a runway to open. For Gatwick Airport, this covers the full
cost of the works (including the M23 and A23) needed to support expansion. The two
Heathrow schemes would pay for the full cost of M25, A4 and A3044 diversions and
local road works. They would make a contribution towards the cost of the proposed
Western Rail Access and Southern Rail Access schemes. Improvements which are
already underway, such as Thameslink and Crossrail, will be completed, and the
Government has not assumed any change to these schemes’ existing funding.
4.30 The majority of the surface access costs where a split of beneficiaries is expected (for
example, where multiple businesses and the public at large benefit from a new road
junction or rail scheme) are likely to be borne by Government, as the schemes provide
greater benefits for non-airport users. The airport contribution would be subject to a
negotiation, and review by regulators.
4.31 Because of the early stage of development, there is some uncertainty about surface
access costs, which are subject to more detailed development and, for example,
choices over precise routes. The additional public expenditure effects of the options
would likely be as follows:
• For both Heathrow schemes, there is no Government road spend directly linked
to expansion. The promoter would pay for changes to the M25, A4 and A3044
and any local roads. The Western and Southern Rail schemes are at different
levels of development and, based on current estimates, could cost between
£1.4 billion and £2.5 billion together. The Government would expect this cost to
be partly offset by airport contributions, which would be negotiated when the
schemes reach an appropriate level of development.
• For the Gatwick scheme, there would be no additional public expenditure solely
because of expansion, as all road enhancement costs for airport expansion
would be met by the scheme promoter. The Government has assumed that any
improvements to the Brighton Main Line that may be required would take place
regardless of expansion and would be publically funded.
The airport scheme promoters have pledged to meet the cost of surface access
schemes required to enable a runway to open. For Gatwick Airport, this covers the full
cost of the works (including the M23 and A23) needed to support expansion. The two
Heathrow schemes would pay for the full cost of M25, A4 and A3044 diversions and
local road works. They would make a contribution towards the cost of the proposed
Western Rail Access and Southern Rail Access schemes. Improvements which are
already underway, such as Thameslink and Crossrail, will be completed, and the
Government has not assumed any change to these schemes’ existing funding.
4.30 The majority of the surface access costs where a split of beneficiaries is expected (for
example, where multiple businesses and the public at large benefit from a new road
junction or rail scheme) are likely to be borne by Government, as the schemes provide
greater benefits for non-airport users. The airport contribution would be subject to a
negotiation, and review by regulators.
4.31 Because of the early stage of development, there is some uncertainty about surface
access costs, which are subject to more detailed development and, for example,
choices over precise routes. The additional public expenditure effects of the options
would likely be as follows:
• For both Heathrow schemes, there is no Government road spend directly linked
to expansion. The promoter would pay for changes to the M25, A4 and A3044
and any local roads. The Western and Southern Rail schemes are at different
levels of development and, based on current estimates, could cost between
£1.4 billion and £2.5 billion together. The Government would expect this cost to
be partly offset by airport contributions, which would be negotiated when the
schemes reach an appropriate level of development.
• For the Gatwick scheme, there would be no additional public expenditure solely
because of expansion, as all road enhancement costs for airport expansion
would be met by the scheme promoter. The Government has assumed that any
improvements to the Brighton Main Line that may be required would take place
regardless of expansion and would be publically funded.
It certainly appears, based on the published plans to date, that not a lot of thought has been given to the implications of completely severing the A4 Colnbrook bypass, made necessary by moving the proposed R3 line further south to avoid compromising the M4/M25 interchange.
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Heathrow expansion 'less beneficial to UK residents than Gatwick Airport' | London Evening Standard
There is no way that the cabinet could not have been told.
If they were indeed deliberately misled then even i would concede that is a sackable offence.
There is no way that the cabinet could not have been told.
If they were indeed deliberately misled then even i would concede that is a sackable offence.
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How has Grayling got away with piggybacking Crossrail onto LHR surface EXPANSION when it was designed specifically for Londoners on local routes?
Regarding the surface works, pricing a job of this size costs quite a lot in itself so until a decision had been made I wouldn't expect anyone to commit. Hopefully now we can start narrowing down those figures.