WOWA is also out of service for the above same reasons.
Doubt ASW management have the 'balls' to take on anything else, which is a shame. As someone else said earlier, Air Wales went under (similar operation) and guess how many of their routes we picked up......errr, zilch.
Hey Baron, know this for a fact do you mate. Damn, wish I had a direct link into what the company is planning, like you obviously do If you think that the Company is run by a complete bunch of morons who know nothing about aviation, then instead of hiding behind an anonymous forum like this, put together some credible business solutions and business plans, and present them to the Commercial Manager, or the MD himself.
Listen, although I am fully in favour of lively debate, anonymous bitching about the company is very destructive. The company is small enough and friendly enough to approach the likes of the CM, MD or even the Big Boss of Sutton Harbour, if you have suggestions on how you feel they could be moving ASW forward.
I, for one, thoroughly enjoy flying for a small company like Air Southwest and I very much want to see it succeed.
Crew the screw and Baron Buzz - some of the Air Southwest management are ex-Brymon and know exactly what they're doing I'm sure. ASW have expanded rapidly so it doesn't hurt to have a period of consolidation. If Flybe try and move the BA Connect business out of BRS to EXT it will be commercial suicide you have history to prove that so if they do then Air Southwest are no doubt ready to fill in.
Underestimate the management at your peril, they know exactly what they're doing and they know exactly when to do it especially after Bryman and BA, the top management wouldn’t wait for one second if there was a buck to be made and they know better than us pilots do when to expand and when to consolidate, I have faith that they know what they're doing and when the time is right they will expand, if I had a penny for the amount of times I hear people saying things like "we need to buy all the BACN Dash's" has one thought about the logistics? the hangarage, maintenance, staffing, cost of setting up new routes? How would our ops cope? how would we put all those people through the sim? Don’t get me wrong I'm not trying to kiss management ass, I just think we should let them manage just as we wouldn’t want them flying our planes
Hey Baron, know this for a fact do you mate. Damn, wish I had a direct link into what the company is planning, like you obviously do If you think that the Company is run by a complete bunch of morons who know nothing about aviation, then instead of hiding behind an anonymous forum like this, put together some credible business solutions and business plans, and present them to the Commercial Manager, or the MD himself.
Listen, although I am fully in favour of lively debate, anonymous bitching about the company is very destructive. The company is small enough and friendly enough to approach the likes of the CM, MD or even the Big Boss of Sutton Harbour, if you have suggestions on how you feel they could be moving ASW forward.
I, for one, thoroughly enjoy flying for a small company like Air Southwest and I very much want to see it succeed.
Err, clearly I have ruffled a few feathers. In answer to your question of 'do I know this for a fact?' Well, of course I don't. That is why I used the word 'doubt', inferring an OPINION! I stick by it. I VERY MUCH DOUBT whether any of the routes left by the BACON demise will get taken up by ASW. (Do you??) Its also of the opinion of many. That's not to say I wouldnt like them to, if that was the right thing to do. In part, I doubt very much whether any of the routes are suitable for ASW. Cant see ASW opening a MAN base to operate the DASH's from there
Your next fascinating line says that i am hiding. Well, who isnt on this forum. You are, I am, we all are. That is the whole point of this place, isnt it! Else why not use our REAL names instead of rediculous ones like the one i use???? As far as bringing ideas to the ASW table, how do you know I haven't. Another assumption, on your part, about me.
You clearly no NOTHING about me, if you think I want ASW to fail. I want very much to see them succeed. In fact, I wish no harm to any airline. Why on earth would I??
'Anonymous bitching' as you put it is hardly damaging to ASW (or anyone else) on this forum. Tell me in what way my comments are having a 'damaging' impact on the airline? I suppose its my fault that profitability is down this year to last is it??
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Seems as though Barron Buzz and I have come under fire for our opinions a wee bit. Firstly I'm quite sure of who is in charge at Air Southwest, and the history (Not only Brymon...)
As Barron Buzz said why would any pilot want an Airline to fail?
Now lets address some of the Attack points from the above posters...
RESPRYN:-
"The company is small enough and friendly enough to approach the likes of the CM, MD or even the Big Boss of Sutton Harbour, if you have suggestions on how you feel they could be moving ASW forward"
If Indeed it is as such then this sounds like a really good Idea.. Maybe in one of those Staff Forums that gives companies a wee tick in a box to become 'Investers in People'... Woo Hoo?! How many ideas or plans aired in such meetings ever get actioned (In my experience very few.) I know from My point of view I'm sick and tired of asking ,suggesting, BEGGING for stuff to be done(Nothing too life changing..) Can only guess it's very different in ASW judging by RESPRYNS comments about Intercompany Holistic Management... but hey you obviously know more than us on the outside
Dash 7 Lover:-
Coludn't agree more, BRS base needs to stay in some way shape or form Lets hope you are right about ASw ready to pounce
(Well ok.. Maybe just jump gently) onto some of the opportunities presented.
ukts:-
Underestimate Management.. Oh no not me Sir far too afraid to do that. Just hope THEY could spell BRYMON? Sounds as though you've settled in well as a management lap dog in the few months you've been there. Glad to hear you've got faith though, something so sadly lacking in todays cynical world. Maybe wait untill you've had at least some line experience before bestowing faith in anything?
As for logistics, Yes you are quite right it all takes time, money, patience (sounds like you're not too sure of the capabilities of your Ops department ukts so won't include them? but what is also needed is something called PLANNING Business Master Class #1. but mainly it takes drive and desire to be bigger and better.
IMHO what's lacking from the previously discussed management. Too intent on increasing a share price and offsetting profits And before someone jumps on me for that I know exactly what the benefits of this are too. Just IMHO Drive and desire need to slightly outweigh steady complaicency
Ok now to address the childish and short sighted comments from above
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Originally Posted by Respryn
instead of hiding behind an anonymous forum like this
Pot... Kettle... Black? Come on Get a life... Instead of having a go about someone elses Anonymity Use your own name!!!???
Phew... Rant Mode off.. We're all giving OPINIONS here dudes!! Nothing else, lets all keep it together
Last edited by crew the screw : 30th November 2006 at 16:40.
Reason: Yet more ranting, and maybe just a wee bit of fire poking?
So,
If they pick up more aircraft - and i said if. Will they keep some to give a bit more flexability to the current fleet (more spares), if there are tech problems and still have their year of consolidation....
..or could we see some more routes cropping up?
See what i did there
Edited to say because i'm in a charitable mood if the company are planning any new routes it would be nice to see one or two out of BRS as i believe those part timers are now only flying NQY LBA.
And anyone know why the new Gatwick route is only flown with one cabin crew?
Last edited by FunFlyin : 1st December 2006 at 13:41.
Reason: Feeling Charitable
So,
it would be nice to see one or two out of BRS as i believe those part timers are now only flying NQY LBA.
And anyone know why the new Gatwick route is only flown with one cabin crew?
Showing some inside info there Funflying? Yes it would be nice to see ASW flying more routes from BRS base, however the routes out of BRS are restricted and come into competition with others. Something I think they're petrified of.. (Competition that is not the M5 Coat, ok I'll go...)
As for the single crew matter...???? that's because they're more concerened with saving a few quid than passenger comfort and dare I say it, the big S word with all the related and associated problems one CCm can face.. One day It'll bite 'em on the Cheeks, thats if the Rabid dog can get through the wallets!!
Anyone on the Inside care to develop the ideas, opinions, views stated above?
The thought that Air Southwest management could take advantage of any situation is laughable. A better discription would be a league of nitwits. MN is not capable of running a flying school. Don't forget these are boom times and Air Southwest is contracting (they call it consolidating)
The leases were supposed to be extended until 2007 for YU, YV, YW, YY,YZ, SA, SB. GBRYX went back early because the leasing company apparently upped the price substantially as props are back in fashion. Rumour has it that FLYBE will phase them out or mothball them sooner rather than later and retrain the crew for the Q400 as it's a quick conversion course......
Time will tell......wait until post 22 DEC... IF the deal gets signed!
2 posts and both on this thread - Air Southwest should be flattered
There isnt much point in taking on lots more aircraft or any if they are going to have problems crewing them. Captains for the 300's are in short supply
Glad a few people rose to the bate, I was beginning to think you were all boring! I still think that we should give the boys running the show time to prove that they are serious in moving ASW forward. The problem is, although it is ok to consolidate for a short while, standing still for too long wont be healthy.
Also, elsewhere in these forums, there is the debate about Flybe taking over Bacon. This is not a done deal and if it falls through, I wonder if the great Flybe eye may start to look our way?
FunFlyin: No, an upgrading FO goes to the bottom of the Captain scale.
Respryn: Air Southwest is not going forwards. Morale among the flight crew is rock bottom, apart from the second-rate direct entry sim and management types, who got their jobs because of knowing the CP.
If you think that the Company is run by a complete bunch of morons who know nothing about aviation, then instead of hiding behind an anonymous forum like this, put together some credible business solutions and business plans, and present them to the Commercial Manager, or the MD himself.
but hey you obviously know more than us on the outside
far too afraid to do that. Just hope THEY could spell BRYMON? Sounds as though you've settled in well as a management lap dog in the few months you've been there. Glad to hear you've got faith though, something so sadly lacking in todays cynical world. Maybe wait untill you've had at least some line experience before bestowing faith in anything?
And before someone jumps on me for that I know exactly what the benefits of this are too. Just IMHO Drive and desire need to slightly outweigh steady complaicency 
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