Loganair

[ALLMCC]

Looks as though Loganair have had a rethink on LDY - MAN. According to local press report this morning this service is to resume at the start of May - wonder what has changed to prompt the U turn?

[brabazon]

Nothing yet on here:


http://icderry.icnetwork.co.uk/news/


Would this still be run as a BA flight number or as a Loganair only flight? What about the mystery operator due to start MAN and BHX?

[ALLMCC]

Report was in this morning's Belfast News Letter - about the mystery operator, announced today Aer Arann starting LDY - MAN & BHX on 17 June - if the Loganair report is correct presumably they're trying to get in first on the MAN. Begs the question though whether demand will support two operators.

[AerSligo]

This news is confirmed on the airport's website -www.cityofderryairport.com-
Great news for the region! It'll be very interesting if Loganair decide to return to the LDY-MAN route...watch this space!

[BobFlyer]

Loganair Routes

noticed on BA Website that From November Loganair
will no longer be running the Kirkwall-Wick-Edinburgh
route. Flight from Edinburgh to Wick now goes onto
Sumburgh just wondered whats the reason for the
change ? Is there no longer flights now between Wick
and Kirkwall ?

[Ace Garp]

Loganair to restart LDY - MAN?

My agents report Scotland's finest will reenter the fray south of the border in late July. Soon the world will be theirs .

[exmax]

Schedules start on 22July

BA8962 LDY-MAN 1015 1130
BA8963 MAN-LDY 1200 1315

BA8962 LDY-MAN 1345-1500
BA8963 MAN-LDY 1530-1645

mondays-fridays from 22July , then sundays from 24July.

[cuthere]

Looking at the LDY website it would appear (at least from the timetable info) that AerArann are ceasing ops from the end of July on both the MAN and BHX routes....only a month or so after increasing capacity on both these routes!

[ecj]

22 July is when the new PSO arrangements begin with Loganair keeping the LDY-DUB, and gaining NOC-DUB.

This additional route will stretch them - expect more wet leasing in the short term.

[MarkD]

ecj

there are more Saabs on the way I believe, one due Jul 12 according to jethros. As for overstretch they knocked back SXL and CFN for that reason.

[ALLMCC]

loganair withdraws glasgow - galway

Announced today - Tuesday & Wednesday service stops 26 July and remainder on the 22 August.

[neidin]

Gosh the airline business is so full of strange coincidences.

So, Loganair get the Irish Government Subsidised PSO contracts from the Irish Government for Sligo and Donegal - oh but on the morning they get awarded them they suddenly decide they are unable to do them - so magically Aer Arann get them at a higher fee. Oh - how lucky for Aer Arann.

Then oh magically Aer Arann do not get the LDY PSO contract and quickly pull all their flights from LDY - and oh as if by magic Logan announce on the same day they will start flying MAN-LDY - the very day Arann stop. Magic. Oh - how lucky for Logan.

So kind then of Loganair to stop flights to Galway making life a bit easier for Aer Arann. How lucky for all concerned.

Smells like teen spirit.

But gosh - there is a worse smell off that Euromanx debtors ledger in GWY though. Explain that to the auditors!

[ontheedge]

Neidin
Why don't you explain to all concerned why you can materially benefit from your posting above. You are a bitter little person, nobody attacks your patch in the way you attack everyone else's. Attack RE, attack 3W attack GWY attack SNN, CRK, DUB, You can run............Come clean!

[neidin]

NOC, NOC - who is there Edge?

[MarkD]

neidin

Logan didn't have to talk to Arann to divine their intentions re LDY, merely take note of previous RE-actions.

These routes are essentially supported by the PSO money and thus it is no surprise that Logan and Arann are swapping routes since they are swapping PSOs and Logan doesn't have unlimited aircraft (as seen by their knock back of SXL/CFN) since their new (to them) Saabs are replacing retiring ATPs.

[CosmosSchwartz]

So Log stop GLA - GWY to make life easier for Arann on EDI - GWY?

Well done, you have just redefined tenuous. And to say your post is littered with in-accuracies is being very kind.

[the highwayman]

I'd say that cheap fares with FR from SNN to PIK on a nice big Boeing also has had a large part to play in Logan's decision to pull out of GLY. Does anyone know what their loads to from Galway were ?

Pity that the choice to Scotland from the West of Ireland is now one less - but thats competition I suppose.

[MerchantVenturer]

Does anyone know what their loads to from Galway were ?

CAA stats show the following scheduled pax totals for Glasgow-Galway this year.

Jan 328
Feb 386
March 431
April 501
May 602

These figures were taken from the CAA provisional lists of stats but they usually give a pretty accurate picture of the final figures.

Of course the figures don't show airlines so if more than one sched airline flew this route it would not be possible to break them down further.

However, it seems from reading this thread that Loganair was the sole carrier so they must all be their pax.

I don't know their frequency or aircraft type so cannot ascertain the average load or percentage load factor.

Finally, as those in the business keep telling me, loads are only one indication. Yields are the important thing.

[CosmosSchwartz]

Quite simply, the aircraft going to GWY can be put to better use on other routes. As MAN and NOC are also starting, and Logan aren't exactly overcrewed or carrying spare aircraft, the simple decision would be to pull an average performing route for a better one.

Don't think competition had much to do with it. SNN-PIK is an extra 100 miles on the road if someone wants to get from GWY - GLA. Bearing in mind the LOG fare from GWY wasn't exactly excessive I doubt it was a major factor.

[billyg]

Loganair are about to lease another couple of Fk50s from Denim Air to be based at GLA, theres already one at ABZ I think, and DUB is one of the rumoured destinations for these a/c!