After the recommendations following the Linate accident were published, it was decided to add the markings "Runway Ahead" on the Alpha taxiway at the point where it crossed the 12 undershoot. Where these markings exist, at ANY airfield, specific clearance is required to proceed beyond the holding point at that location. As you do not cross these markings when departing or landing then no such clearance is required. Any clearance to a location can have restrictions put on that clearance, at the time or subsequently. To take it to the extreme, just because you are cleared to London Heathrow does not mean that you can ignore the bovingdon hold. That said controllers adapting to the new requirement are using different methods of presentation, either giving the taxi clearance and crossing clearance together ( a bit of a mouthful ), giving taxi clearance to the runway ahead marking then subsequently onward (two seperate transmissions and the chance of stopping ) or giving clearance all the way and crossing clearance as the aircraft approaches the marking ( two seperate transmissions and not fail-safe ). It is a busy time of coordination for the controller as well as the pilot and the requirement and timing for this additional r/t is a discussion that is ongoing, as Wee Jock states, through the appropriate channels. There are many official forums available for any of your concerns to be heard and considered where as on here, well, for all you know I might be a sheet metal worker from Barnsley!
Thank you for your moronic response. FYI I have actually posted this elsewhere in Airlines Airports and Routes, but the mod has moved it into this thread. Besides, you may be a controller stuck in the same place all your career, where's pilots get to see and talk to a lot more ATC people than you could ever imagine, often 4 in one day! Therefore we get the bigger picture and when we come accross some "ingrown" and very "local" procedure we look at each other with some puzzlement! Your acrimonious response indicates an exteremely defensive streak, but for what reason? If you know the answer then give it. Remember though, you are not in charge of what people may or may not say or ask on these pages. I suggest if you feel THAT upset by the question then you get some therapy! Love Stelios
Thanks for your much more coherent answer. I don't particularly wish to have long discussions on this one subject, so I won't be going to other forums for this. I can't see what the problem is in saying "you are cleared all the way to xyz holding point" and do away with it like that, but what the hell, life's too short!
With the greatest respect, I've been a controller for some time now, had experience all over the world and am relatively new to Edi. I've prided myself on a close liaison with pilots (of all persuasions) all of my working career and you are the first to insult me in such a way - says more about you than me I think. As for being acrimonious - you are having a laugh aren't you?
Bagheera has indeed answered your question. The fact remains that you could have got the answer by coming across and speaking to us - a 2 minute walk from the terminal at the last check. A number of your fellow pilots have made that arduous journey and both professions got something from it.
Kind regards, WJMcP
P.S. The offer still stands you know.
Last edited by Wee Jock McPlop; 2nd Apr 2007 at 18:28.
GSM will not like that....Dont think theres enough demand for 2 operators on that route. GSM have habit of bumping off mainline carriers like CSA- Clickair might be different however...interesting times ahead.
Unfortunately DL's loss making ED-ATL service is to be scrapped. Instead they will try and steal some business from CO on the NYC route by offering a daily service to JFK. The aircraft has also been downgraded to a 757, commencing perhaps as early as the end of this summer season.