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Old 18th Jan 2005, 08:53   #1 (permalink)
 
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Jets into London City

Apart from the 146, what jets can - and do - use London City?

Is it too small to take - say an A 319?

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Old 18th Jan 2005, 08:58   #2 (permalink)
 
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I see them approach from my office window and I have only ever seen 146s and biz jets

that said i am sure bigger jets have landed there
just not regularly it seems
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Old 18th Jan 2005, 09:33   #3 (permalink)
 
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The types allowed are shown on the relevant page on the airport website.

http://www.lcacc.org/aircraft/index.html

There is a further requirement for them to be fitted with what has become known as a "steep approach kit". I believe that the Embraer 135 that operated the Cork route for a while for jet magic was so fitted but now that this aircraft has passed to BMI it is no longer fitted so could not be used currently into LCY.

In addition to commercial airliners there are now upwards of 10 rotations a day, sometimes many more, of business jets through LCY, of which the Falcon 900 is the largest regular user. Shell Oil used to base two there (sem to have moved on recently) and there's the home-based G-LCYA as well.
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I think the ERJ-170 is shortly to be certified - not sure about the A319 but I suspect not
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Is/was the F70 not certified for ops into LCY?
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Old 18th Jan 2005, 13:45   #6 (permalink)
 
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The Fokker 70 was used for a period by Air France for operations into LCY. The next new jet to be seen at LCY will be the Dornier 328JET.
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Old 18th Jan 2005, 21:21   #7 (permalink)
 
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Shell Aviation used the Falcon 50, the smaller brother of the 900.

Does the Do328JET have clearance for LCY ops? I know the Do328 prop version does.

I think plans for the EMB170 into LCY have been shelved at the moment. I think that when Swiss were looking at the type, one of the points they wanted is that the aircraft could fly in & out of London City. This would involve fitting a large airbrake into the rear of the fuselage & would cost Embraer/Swiss quite alot of money as it would only be a modification carried out on a few airframes. Given Swiss' current financial position, don't think they can afford to give much to the project at the mo!!

Next Jet to aquire LCY ops certification should be the Raytheon/Beech 390 Premier 1 light bizjet.

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Old 19th Jan 2005, 08:46   #8 (permalink)
 
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There is some speculation that the A319 will be coming - and the water South East of the terminal/ATC being filled in to accomodate.

The last aircraft that I saw get certified for the approach was the LJ45 of Goldair.
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Old 19th Jan 2005, 17:52   #9 (permalink)
 
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Is the runway long enough for the A319?

I know they tried the Gulfstream 4SP out a couple of years ago at LCY but found it not to be suitable.

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Old 19th Jan 2005, 20:22   #10 (permalink)
 
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How about the approach / take off angle and noise emmissions?

Surely an A319 would change the whole nature of the airport? Their whole USP is small aircraft for business passengers, offering rapid loading / unloading.

Wouldn't an A319 clog the terminal?
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Old 20th Jan 2005, 17:26   #11 (permalink)
 
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Haven't Airbus reprogrammed the A318 software to allow steep approaches like at City? I believe they demonstrated it at Farnborough. Came down like a pancake if I remember correctly.....quite something to watch.
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Old 20th Jan 2005, 21:11   #12 (permalink)
 
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AlanM & Bahrainlad

according to the guys/gals in the tower, the work being carried out on the apron is to accomodate the A318!!!
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Old 20th Jan 2005, 21:27   #13 (permalink)

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A318, correct.

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Old 23rd Jan 2005, 12:20   #14 (permalink)
 
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Must add that Luxair are changing over from their F50 to am Embraer 135 on the LCY route on February 14, bringing the 135 back to The City.

http://www.luxair.lu/luxair/jsp/polo...43&a=3696&l=en

Nothing about this on the LCY website yet. Time was when their PR was right up to the moment. Now, as noted on the associated LCY/Euromanx thread, they are well behind the curve. Change of PR person probably.
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Old 23rd Jan 2005, 15:40   #15 (permalink)
 
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There's a diagram here.

I wonder how long before a parallel twy is mentioned?
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Does bmi also operate the erj135 out of LCY? Or is Luxair going to be the only operator of this type at City?
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Old 1st Feb 2005, 22:02   #17 (permalink)
 
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bmi don't operate the type (ERJ135) into City yet . There are rumours of a Scotland to London City service with an ERJ135.

However, the type is still quite a regular vistitor to City in the form of Swiss Legacys HB-JEA & HB-JED. In fact, HB-JEA was there Monday

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Another issue with the A319 is the stands. There are only 10 of them (I think) and they are tiny self-manouver ones.

Not sure how agile the A319 is on the ground but even the D8 400 can't get itself on stand there without causing a lot of commotion (one of the many reasons flybe binned that idea).

Seems to me building a parallel taxyway would be easy compared to trying to expand the ramp area!
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Old 2nd Feb 2005, 11:01   #19 (permalink)
 
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Once the current works are completed to the west of the terminal (which are small scale) the next area for expansion will be to the east of the terminal building. This will require partial infilling of the KGV dock (the water area right behind the terminal's baggage delivery doors, which wayward bags have been known to drop into from the carts on occasion !), and there will be space there for bigger stands nice and close to the terminal.

A parallel taxiway would require a lot more infilling of this dock.

Given that the current stands were sized for Dash-7s it's quite some skill that gets aircraft like 146s onto them.
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[Pedantmode]Don't know where the ex-JetMAgic 135s went, but not to bmi... all bmiregional's 135s were delivered new. [/Pedantmode]
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