Self fly Aircraft Hire in Madagascar/Mozambique?
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Self fly Aircraft Hire in Madagascar/Mozambique?
I wonder if anyone knows of any operators that would dry/wet lease aircraft in either Madagascar or even Mozambique?
Actually looking for a 208 Caravan but anything with 6+ seats would be considered.
Actually looking for a 208 Caravan but anything with 6+ seats would be considered.
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Doesn't look like you hold much hope for that plan. 
Although the insurance would be handled externally from our end so that would be covered. It would be just one of a number of fairly large scale assets being insured in country.
Even if someone knows of a 208 operator in the region we could approach with the proposition that might be really helpful.
Although the insurance would be handled externally from our end so that would be covered. It would be just one of a number of fairly large scale assets being insured in country.
Even if someone knows of a 208 operator in the region we could approach with the proposition that might be really helpful.
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Ohh neat. We got another PPL adventurer/BA airline pilot wanting to show off in front of his mates/family by piloting an aircraft in Africa. Good luck wit that request. Last i checked operators have their own pilots... so unless you know an owner-operator on a first name basis from back in the day,,, you are dreaming mate. Btw, airplane's aren't covered by your typical insurance.
Ohh neat. We got another PPL adventurer/BA airline pilot wanting to show off in front of his mates/family by piloting an aircraft in Africa.
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Yeah it is pretty special... it's on many a pilots' bucketlist. Most won't achieve this cause they need to work here to make it happen. Self-flying groups of 6+ is a pipe dream.
And grow up boy Kata... emoticons are for fifteen year olds... are you fifteen?
And grow up boy Kata... emoticons are for fifteen year olds... are you fifteen?
Funny, I've flown hundreds of hours across the length and breadth of Africa (not just the "easy bits" down in Southern Africa) and I've never worked there.
From what Stratos says, it doesn't strike me as being a PPL off on a jolly. Even if it was, a 206 or similar would not be too difficult to get for self fly hire.
From what Stratos says, it doesn't strike me as being a PPL off on a jolly. Even if it was, a 206 or similar would not be too difficult to get for self fly hire.
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In my usual calm, reflective and non inflammatory fashion, I wonder how available Avgas might be in Mozambique or Madagascar these days. I also reflect that Madagascar would be a very bad place over which to suffer an engine failure anything other than a Perf A machine.
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A friend of mine, with a C-210, and I tentatively planned a trip to Reunion.
It wasn't the part over Madagascar that was so worrying, it was the two damp bits.
Sanity set in, and we didn't go.
It wasn't the part over Madagascar that was so worrying, it was the two damp bits.
Sanity set in, and we didn't go.
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I aplogise in advance for even suggesting this very long shot who might, remotely possibly, have a contact somewhere.
I think it's unlikely you'll find a six seater anywhere in southern Africa or indeed in the entire sub continent. Apart from any other consideration something like a Cherokee Six is quite useful for ferrying loads of guns, drugs and slaves around. Why should anyone want one for a legitimate reason. Have you ever tried to sit in the back row of a Cessna 210/206?
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I think it's unlikely you'll find a six seater anywhere in southern Africa or indeed in the entire sub continent. Apart from any other consideration something like a Cherokee Six is quite useful for ferrying loads of guns, drugs and slaves around. Why should anyone want one for a legitimate reason. Have you ever tried to sit in the back row of a Cessna 210/206?
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Uhhhh, kind of...zero ATC help, violent weather, poor mx and airport facilities, no radar, limited diversion strips, macho attitudes, unreliable forecasts and navaids, random airport closures, contaminated fuel, high terrain, etc etc etc. So yes, Afrika is a bit special.
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Re: Katamornono
If Katamorono says it's easy to obtain a 206 for self-hire, please, by all means come to Africa and get down to business! There are so many beautiful places to see. The risks are low. Everyone is doing it! Tell us about your African single engine exploits when you return.
Better yet, let's hear some details from Katamorono, the self-professed expert on renting a complex aircraft in Africa. Give us details on the length and breadth of Africa, even the "easy bits" in Southern Africa. We are all getting a bowl of hot buttered popcorn in anticipation of reading about your exploits, sage advice and words of wisdom. We love stories, even RJ ones. Pictures too!
OP: If you are successful (go for it! YOLO), here are some phrases you might want to translate in to local dialects:
"Why what a lovely AK-47 you have, sir."
"No, just because I'm flying my own airplane in Africa when you drive a pair of sandals doesn't mean I have more money than you."
"Do you have the local number for 911/999?"
"Can you direct me to the nearest MET office?"
"Where is the closest (insert your country here) embassy/consulate?"
OP: Suggest you leave your pilot licence at home and charter or take a guided aerial safari. You'll save money and likely your life.
Better yet, let's hear some details from Katamorono, the self-professed expert on renting a complex aircraft in Africa. Give us details on the length and breadth of Africa, even the "easy bits" in Southern Africa. We are all getting a bowl of hot buttered popcorn in anticipation of reading about your exploits, sage advice and words of wisdom. We love stories, even RJ ones. Pictures too!
OP: If you are successful (go for it! YOLO), here are some phrases you might want to translate in to local dialects:
"Why what a lovely AK-47 you have, sir."
"No, just because I'm flying my own airplane in Africa when you drive a pair of sandals doesn't mean I have more money than you."
"Do you have the local number for 911/999?"
"Can you direct me to the nearest MET office?"
"Where is the closest (insert your country here) embassy/consulate?"
OP: Suggest you leave your pilot licence at home and charter or take a guided aerial safari. You'll save money and likely your life.
Está servira para distraerle.
You wanted a Cessna 208 and there are several around in South Africa and Botswana. The machine holds anything up to thirteen carcasses and you seem able to arrange insurance externally from which I infer that you have considerable funds at your disposal. Why don't you therefore simply negotiate a wet lease + single crewed hire/charter from a reputable company. Perhaps that's what you were prepared to do from the very beginning? Iznogood gave you a lead on that. Their caravan seats 9pax+pilot.
If it's fun you're after then you may well find that many 208 pilots, when away in the bundu and thus from prying eyes, will be prepared to play silly games for $$$.
If it's fun you're after then you may well find that many 208 pilots, when away in the bundu and thus from prying eyes, will be prepared to play silly games for $$$.
That's my latest flight in Africa, "Centreofexcellence". A Cessna 182, north to south, and not on one of those absurdly overpriced organised trips either. I'm just an amateur, not some grizzled skygod; so clearly, flying through Africa is not that difficult for someone who has a brain and is willing to put in heaps of research and preparation in advance.
You're evidently scared of your own shadow if you think that the moment anyone sets foot in Africa they'll be robbed and murdered.
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When I said you need to work here to fly here... i meant flying off the relative beaten path. Bringing your own/ferrying air plane from Europe is a bit different than flying bush strip to bush strip a la safari with a local rental. Stratosfear never mentioned any details ... Stratosfear... care to elaborate on your top secret mission?
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Cool map bro. We're all very impressed. The point of your massive amount of experience in Africa is?
You are an arrogant, condescending know it all with just enough knowledge to be dangerous when crudely doling out advice. Congratulations on your trust fund baby status and having the cojones and youthful exuberance to take risks. Come back and play again when you have 1% of the experience the members of this board have.
Myself and most others on this forum speak from years of professional experience in Africa. Your attitude is hazardous at best and a slap in the face to those who have given wise advice to the OP. To state that I am scared of my own shadow is not only laughable, but also foolish conjecture from an immature, insecure little man. My "scared" shadow has been cast in every country on this continent.
The words of advice from board members come from "actual" experience. Personally-have been arrested, mobbed, robbed, extorted and have had to declare Pan-Pan and Mayday on numerous occasions. None of them are regular occurrences. Deviate to an unplanned destination without landing/overflight clearance and see what happens. Spend enough time here and things will happen. Many places do not have the infrastructure and status to handle even basic aviation issues. Every time I start the engines, I remember that I only know what I don't know.
I have also taken sick children for life saving medical treatment, had wounded soldiers die en-route to trauma care, carried heads of state and other dignitaries, seen majestic scenery and wildlife found nowhere else, made friends across the "length and breadth" and have had countless cultural experiences. Africa is an amazing place to fly as a pilot AND passenger. Most on here can say the same and posting a map of your epic journey impresses no one here. Please save it for Facebook and Instagram where someone might actually be impressed.
Sincere congratulations on your latest successful journey. It's good that you have enough common sense to plan ahead. You are also blessed to have not had any problems.
A C182 is not a 206 or 208, both of which require type ratings in Africa and are almost assuredly unobtanium status for so many reasons that you clearly don't get. Even if one were successful at obtaining a self-fly 6+ passenger aircraft and airframe insurance, what are the odds that life insurance and personal liability would not be excluded? The answer: about 1:1. I have to source special market life insurance as a licensed, experienced professional. It is doubtful that any company would insure a private pilot, with little or no experience - no matter the license held and total hours - to fly a self-hire aircraft with 5+ passengers.
I support the recommendation that one with the financial wherewithal to self-fly a light aircraft in Africa would still be better off chartering, especially when wanting to fly with friends and family. As CavortingCheetah wisely indicated, a chartered aircraft PIC just might be willing to share the flight controls for a little chop chop once away from prying eyes. After all, this is Africa.
The point of your massive amount of experience in Africa is?You are an arrogant, condescending know it all with just enough knowledge to be dangerous when crudely doling out advice. Congratulations on your trust fund baby status and having the cojones and youthful exuberance to take risks. Come back and play again when you have 1% of the experience the members of this board have.
Myself and most others on this forum speak from years of professional experience in Africa. Your attitude is hazardous at best and a slap in the face to those who have given wise advice to the OP. To state that I am scared of my own shadow is not only laughable, but also foolish conjecture from an immature, insecure little man. My "scared" shadow has been cast in every country on this continent.
The words of advice from board members come from "actual" experience. Personally-have been arrested, mobbed, robbed, extorted and have had to declare Pan-Pan and Mayday on numerous occasions. None of them are regular occurrences. Deviate to an unplanned destination without landing/overflight clearance and see what happens. Spend enough time here and things will happen. Many places do not have the infrastructure and status to handle even basic aviation issues. Every time I start the engines, I remember that I only know what I don't know.
I have also taken sick children for life saving medical treatment, had wounded soldiers die en-route to trauma care, carried heads of state and other dignitaries, seen majestic scenery and wildlife found nowhere else, made friends across the "length and breadth" and have had countless cultural experiences. Africa is an amazing place to fly as a pilot AND passenger. Most on here can say the same and posting a map of your epic journey impresses no one here. Please save it for Facebook and Instagram where someone might actually be impressed.
Sincere congratulations on your latest successful journey. It's good that you have enough common sense to plan ahead. You are also blessed to have not had any problems.
A C182 is not a 206 or 208, both of which require type ratings in Africa and are almost assuredly unobtanium status for so many reasons that you clearly don't get. Even if one were successful at obtaining a self-fly 6+ passenger aircraft and airframe insurance, what are the odds that life insurance and personal liability would not be excluded? The answer: about 1:1. I have to source special market life insurance as a licensed, experienced professional. It is doubtful that any company would insure a private pilot, with little or no experience - no matter the license held and total hours - to fly a self-hire aircraft with 5+ passengers.
I support the recommendation that one with the financial wherewithal to self-fly a light aircraft in Africa would still be better off chartering, especially when wanting to fly with friends and family. As CavortingCheetah wisely indicated, a chartered aircraft PIC just might be willing to share the flight controls for a little chop chop once away from prying eyes. After all, this is Africa.