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Old 23rd Apr 2012, 11:34   #61 (permalink)
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Member has responded with his contention that the use of the word 'white' does not constitute a racist intent and as such an apology will not be forthcoming.

I'm going to leave to the matter as unresolved; this is your forum, you be the judge.

Allow me to close by quoting Martin Luther King Jr -

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I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.
Nuff said; carry on please.
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Old 23rd Apr 2012, 11:58   #62 (permalink)
 
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@ chuks: its fair enough for the Sierra Leonian to react like that to the name of Nigeria, its his choice. I wonder if he was around when his countrymen and women ran to Nigeria for protection when his precious country was torn apart by war.

If true, how ungrateful of him to react like that when many Nigerian soldiers died to keep Sierra Leone alive under the ECOMOG banner.

And tell him to go find out about the boy band known as X-project - a band of Sierra Leonians who moved to Nigeria during the war for refuge, grew up to know Nigeria as their home and sing songs about Nigeria and Sierra Leone. Talk about gratitude.

And if Oyinbos are tired of Nigeria they should do what they like, its a free world. I just choose to do what makes me happy, not tired.
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Old 23rd Apr 2012, 12:05   #63 (permalink)
 
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Open Letter to Moderator, Habari, oompilot, exeng

Hello Moderator, Habari, oompilot, exeng,

Below is my response to the private request from the Moderator to explain my post which raised some requests for me to be 'shot down'.

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Hello Moderator,

I am really grateful for your intervention. It seems we've always had preferential treatment handed to certain posts which goes through without scrutiny.

I am no racist by any standards, i have been married to a non-black woman from the Asian continent for over 20 years.

I disagree that my post is racial simply because i used the singular word 'white'. Indeed, worse have been posted on this thread without the use of colour to expose what lies beneath.

The last time i filled an application form, the ethnic minority monitoring section listed white as a race just as it did black. Now, typing the word white is deemed racist on PPRuNe but i don't think typing black seems racist rather using a word like 'nigg*' seems racist.

If the word 'white' offends or triggers excitement amongst some who wish to extinguish the truth that i try to speak for, then i apologise. I do not apologise because of the threat of being expunged from PPRuNe because life continues.

I hope the moderator's intervention becomes a standard move across the board because, this is just like watching a football match where the ref is being partisan. Reminds me of Ovrebo.
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Old 23rd Apr 2012, 12:09   #64 (permalink)
 
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Moderator,

My private response to you which i have just posted does show that i apologised as opposed to your conclusion that no apology is forthcoming. Excerpt below:

If the word 'white' offends or triggers excitement amongst some who wish to extinguish the truth that i try to speak for, then i apologise.

I totally applaud your use of MLK's words, it would be nice to see that everyone on this forum goes along with it. Remains to be seen!
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Old 23rd Apr 2012, 12:17   #65 (permalink)
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It was the context in which the word 'white' was used rather than the word itself.

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most are just castoffs who mouth off
If I described 'black' folk in such a way then I would expect people to be somewhat upset.

The fact is that some black and some white people would appear to be castoffs who mouth off on occasion.

Generalisations such as above in your post are, in my opinion, not a very good idea.
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Old 23rd Apr 2012, 13:04   #66 (permalink)
 
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"That uneducated black fool needs to be hung" is an example of a statement that would also be deemed racist, it's not the word black but the context in which it's used. Perhaps if you , as you your self said, understood the English language better then you would have understood your utterances you made NaijaNinja.

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Old 23rd Apr 2012, 15:42   #67 (permalink)
 
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State of Aviation in Nigeria

Enough of the rantings, the msg from both sides is clear. Back to business. Their appears to be no reprieve for nigerian airlines and operators. High cost of jet fuel, high cost of inefficient services from service providers, high forex rate, unpaid staff salaries, security challenges and uncertainties in the economy and polity have brought most operators to their knees. I learnt that caverton plans to bring in some more choppers and Q400 to support their expanding ops. Aero planning to bring in 5 more B734 from indonesia at a higher cost than offered from Europe. Capt Meg's wings aviation is planning to start airline operations with F100s or B733s. How is IRS doing? Do they intend to expand or have proved bookmakers wrong by getting this far? Will chanchangi ressurect or is this a terminal illness. Associated is on a death grip as fleet serviceability has been seriously depleted. I had the opportunity of meeting the MD recently, she is such a wonderful hardworking lady but unfortunately she is sorrounded by a corrupt and greedy management team. On another note, is Julius Berger still having the unofficial policy of 'no Nigeria pilot allowed command on their king air 350s?
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Old 23rd Apr 2012, 18:23   #68 (permalink)
 
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I know we are eager to get on with discussing what's up in Nigeria, but before we do i must express my support for Naija Ninja, alot of bias the way posts are handled by the moderators, if you are an ardent PPRuNe reader then you know for a fact there are quite a no. of threads with racial undertones from our fairer brothers and sisters, alot of sensationalised unresearched posting in a bid to portray a certain people as inept, and others as superior. i have come across a post insinuating the whole black race is barbaric, some go the extra mile of posting propagandist videos yet there is no reprimand from the mods.
But i guess we are guests here so we have to contend, "sometimes not always" with some offensive idiotic comments.

Its always pretty obvious for example when an accident or incident is being discussed in this forum to predict the kind of postings you would expect, if its Asian, African ,South American carrier the finger pointing starts even before the facts start rolling out, on the other hand a western carrier you always expect some interesting sober and well researched debates, well just my opinion.

All in all we hope that the MLK quote isn't just that, but maybe a start of some fair play here on
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Old 23rd Apr 2012, 19:29   #69 (permalink)
 
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Amazing. A thread started by a black Nigerian complaining about expats in his country who then openly vents his anger at white people, becomes a thread about white people being the racists. What a bunch of idiots. Don't be so blind, look at yourselves.

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Old 23rd Apr 2012, 19:51   #70 (permalink)
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Martin Luther King said,
'I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.'
Another man says,
'I am no racist by any standards, I have been married to a non-black woman from the Asian continent for over 20 years.'
Can one perceive a certain racist irony in there, depending of course, on how one chooses to interpret what is obviously an innocent if potentially subversive statement?

As for offensive and idiotic comments with which we have to contend, one takes no umbrage at the possibility that one might have been being described as a 'know-it-all-but-worth-sh*t' white folks who open their gob to chat sh*t!'
One should rather compliment the writer, who admits that English is not his mother tongue, upon his knowledge of the British common vernacular.
It means nothing to be described as a piece of worthless excrement who spews forth manure when the comment is simply untrue bigotry.
Now, back to Naija land perhaps, to distinguish it from Nigeria?
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Old 23rd Apr 2012, 19:58   #71 (permalink)
 
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Tone it down. You need not emphasis "black" Nigerian after mod had tried to calm the situation. This simply causes distraction from what are real issues.

Will aviation situation get better in Nigeria? You bet! Will it be soon? Not at all! Whether we like it or not there are those milking it either they are called VS or BA and that is one of the many unfair things that Nigerians must wake up to.
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Old 23rd Apr 2012, 20:40   #72 (permalink)
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VS and BA are unfairly milking Nigerians? Is that a scam?
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Old 23rd Apr 2012, 21:18   #73 (permalink)
 
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NaijaNinja wrote
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Now, typing the word white is deemed racist on PPRuNe but i don't think typing black seems racist rather using a word like 'nigg*' seems racist.
As I explained above double standards. He writes the word black and it's fine, I mention it and it's a problem. Why?

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then openly vents his anger at white people, becomes a thread about white people being the racists
This you didn't mention as provocative yet I mentioned "white".

Lets remember this debate was started by a black Nigerian openly admitting his distaste for expats and white people, not the other way around. Is this the reason there is an interest in ending the race debate in a hurry?
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Old 23rd Apr 2012, 21:33   #74 (permalink)
 
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@ Carvotingcheetah,
Sorry mate but that's not what i meant, i am actually against the stereotyping of a whole populace or a group of people because one or two of them has rubbed you the wrong way, it is probably in order for the mods to have flagged that particular offensive post, it has obviously offended many here, but as naija ninja says there are also alot of stereotyped posts on this forum that offend alot of us darkies but which the mods see no need to act on, that's the bit that is unbalanced.
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Old 23rd Apr 2012, 22:43   #75 (permalink)
 
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It's easy to understand the anger and frustration that many Nigerians must feel. I don't think it's a very good idea to vent that on expatriate pilots working in Nigeria, however. We are all caught up in the system, white and black alike. Many whites have as little wish to be in Nigeria as the locals have to see them there! That said, I try to understand both sides, since Nigeria taught me a lot about what it means to be a human, particularly the many Nigerians there who were still able to be very kind while caught up in a very difficult situation, better people than I am, perhaps.

I think that we humans are basically trained towards racism; we may be hard-wired to see our differences rather than our similarities. If that premise of mine is correct, then we are always working to look beneath the skin to see how similar we may be; that doesn't come easily.

That is all very well, but sometimes all this Mother Teresa stuff gets a bit old, when we may enjoy a good old rant against 'the other,' as when your Nigerian steward chooses to scrub your only silk tie in boiling-hot water, give it a vigorous wringing-out and then proudly present you with what looks for all the world like a very large shoelace! If the 'n-word' is not on the tip of your tongue then you must be some sort of saint!
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Old 23rd Apr 2012, 22:48   #76 (permalink)
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odericko2000 - as much as it may sound cool to you it is not accepatble, regardless of your skintone, to be using the term 'darkies' - that is just plain offensive.

Now, let me be clear; another reference to skin color on this thread wins you a week in the cooler.

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Old 23rd Apr 2012, 23:37   #77 (permalink)
 
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Hi odericko2000,

I have no clue as to your ethnicity but i am grateful for your understanding and support, fairness like common sense isn't always common.

Piece of advice though, stay away from that cooler, being there before: -55 degrees! Chai

And trust me, those boilers will be waiting for you once released from the cooler!
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Old 24th Apr 2012, 04:03   #78 (permalink)
 
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@ oompilot, i think you need to re read the first posting on this thread, at no point did the poster say he has a disdain for whites, just expats, and i will say it again on this forum, why do people always assume all expats are of the said skin tone, be as it may they form the bulk of the expat pilot community but i have a good no. of my mates from Tanzania flying ATR's in Nigeria as expat pilots.

Again, stereotyping.

Sorry mods, had to mention skin color on that one, guess will be getting my three weeks in the cooler then.

Ps: I apologise for being offensive on my previous post
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Old 24th Apr 2012, 05:26   #79 (permalink)
 
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Ok Odericko2000, so after 4 pages of debate on PPRuNe this was all a big misunderstanding. Balewa and his mates are actually upset with the Tanzanians and other "African country expats" flying in Nigeria. Perhaps the reaction that it was aimed only at the European expats was a knee jerk reaction. NaijaNinja's comments
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'know-it-all-but-worth-sh*t' white folks
also seemed to suggest that the attack was more at the European folk. So that's great news. Not many knew he meant the minority expats where the problem.
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This whole debate is one sided. Obviously we can all see whose side the moderator is on. For your info oompilot, most of us expats are from the Carribean, African American ,and other African countries. If you read the first thread, there was no anger vented at anyone in particular but the fact that Nigerian locals are not getting jobs because the whole place is flooded with expats( no skin color mentioned). The whole idea of forum is to discuss what is going on and what can be done to save or improve the situation not a wrestling ring for chickens who can't take the fight outside. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You are allowed to correct an assumption with a fact. Some of us are just here waiting to pounce on any tone or incorrect grammer that offends us and start a fight. No need for the insults on each other. If you want to fight, take it outside!
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