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Old 1st Jan 2017, 10:42   #1221 (permalink)
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I was here in Thursday all morning, only few minutes away looking for flights on companies, but all day long here (now wraiting from Beer Garden), where you yesterday on the camp fire on Samedupi?
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Old 10th Jan 2017, 13:38   #1222 (permalink)
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Hi all,
I have been through this thread and while certainly very interesting and helpful, I couldn't find the information I am looking for.
Do any of the companies looking for 200/500/800 hours minimum time pay attention to helicopter flight time, or do the authorities accept it? I understand Mack has (had?) a EC130, but I am actually looking for a fixed wing time building job after getting my ASEL/AMEL FAA add-ons.

I could show:
- FAA ATP Helicopter with commercial and instrument privileges ASEL/AMEL
- FAA CFI/II Helicopter; Instrument Ground Instructor (maybe advanced ground instructor as well)
- (EASA ATPL Helicopter)
- 4750 hours total time, of which a whopping 80-100 in fixed wing aircraft

I have (helicopter) bush experience in eastern Africa, namely Mozambique. I certainly would be happy to just show up, if only I knew I wouldn't be laughed out the door;-) Any input would be appreciated! Any dual-rated pilots lurking here?
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Old 10th Jan 2017, 15:16   #1223 (permalink)
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Hi, I have my doubts, hopefully Pink Pilot will be able to give you a more precise info, but I believe that if you apply for a fixed wing position you must have minimum 500hrs on planes
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Old 10th Jan 2017, 20:15   #1224 (permalink)
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Email (or call) Helicopter Horizons in Maun. They should be able to sort you out, or at least point you in the correct direction. PM me if you need an email address. Good luck and cheers.
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Old 11th Jan 2017, 11:54   #1225 (permalink)
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Thank you two so far;-)
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Old 11th Jan 2017, 14:11   #1226 (permalink)
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Every now and then we do see a new question here!

I don't have any solid information, but here are my thoughts:

There is one pilot that I know of who flew fixed wing in the Delta and then got a helicopter licence. I imagine that he can't have had too many helicopter hours under his belt when he started flying them here. But this was many years ago so is not necessarily a good measure of the current situation.

As far as I know, the helicopter guys haven't had the same issues as the fixed wing pilots have had with immigration and permits. They are still employing recent graduates from overseas. However, you want to go the other way which is more restrictive and therefore more difficult.

A CV with that many hours will look very good to the department of labour and home affairs. They won't fully understand the difference between fixed/ rotary wing. Many pilots here have boosted their hours with simulator time, gliding, gyrocopter... for the purposes of showing more experience for the work permit application. So that should not be a problem.

CAAB have had issues with people holding both pilot and engineer licences. I have no idea what they will say about two categories of pilot licence. As I said before, it has been done in the past, but many years ago and before the new and improved(?!) CAAB. There is a chance that you could run into a problem when applying for a licence validation whereby CAAB tell you that you need 200 hours for a CPL therefore you cannot hold a licence. While it's not specifically written in the rules, the authority has been know to read between the rules and stick with one person's interpretation many times before.

The problem that I definitely see is with insurance. I checked a couple of policies in the office just now and they make specific mention of "fixed wing time". The policies I checked are fairly lenient, but do require far more fixed wing time than you currently have. If you came to Maun with a great attitude and a personality that one of the companies really loved, then maybe they would try to speak to their insurance company, but that is a risk and there's no guarantee that insurance will budge. I am afraid that most people would simply put you into the 'too hard basket'.

Good luck!
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Old 12th Jan 2017, 11:10   #1227 (permalink)
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Thank you! Very helpful;-)
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Old 12th Jan 2017, 15:53   #1228 (permalink)
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Mack Air hired a hell of a good bloke who flew both fixed and fling wing back in 2010/11.
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Old 13th Jan 2017, 16:49   #1229 (permalink)
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Torque, good post from Pinky and Lilfly is correct.

As far as the Department of Irritation are concerned, as Pinky says, it is total hours as a driver. They will not know what 'rotary' means.

Just interested to know why you want to switch to fixed wing here. Rotary is much more fun.
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 14:19   #1230 (permalink)
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Just interested to know why you want to switch to fixed wing here. Rotary is much more fun.
Sorry, just seeing this now.
No argument there, I definitely would prefer to keep flying helicopters. However, the job market right now is less than ideal with the oil and gas industry being what it is. While I probably could find a job around Europe, I have just grown too accustomed to the way of life in Asia/Africa as well as the climate and would like to try to (and am still in the position to) avoid working full time in Europe.
I am only in my early 30ies, so getting my fixed wing add-on for the time being is a way to keep me busy and flying. If the rotary job market picks up again...I'll probably be back. If not, I'm hoping the add-on will not have been for nothing in the 30+ years I hopefully have left to stay airborne;-)
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 13:57   #1231 (permalink)
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Pretty demeaning sorts of comments from you; let's hope you will not need any help from either authority, as with that attitude you won't get far.

How much experience (hours) do you have?
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 08:28   #1232 (permalink)
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Torque, thank you. See your point. Rotary down here is great fun though. You quite often get based in the bush at a luxury lodge for some time. Lots of skimming the tree tops in Jet Rangers for scenic flights. Yes long term probably best fixed wing. The very best of luck.

Pretty demeaning sorts of comments from you; let's hope you will not need any help from either authority, as with that attitude you won't get far.

How much experience (hours) do you have?
About 10,000 hrs. ATPL, heavy four jet, wide bodied, twin piston, twin turbine, single piston, military fast jets, bit of rotary but not rated. Will that do you? Oh, and personal pilot to HMQ for some years. Now you know who I am! ;-) Yea, as you say I probably won't get very far.

We were in the Department of Irritation the other day. Extremely helpful folk actually if you adopt the right attitude. Calls for a bit of acting ability. They have a new target to turn applications around in two weeks we will see. Our papers go in next week - will report back.

Experience dictates that you are best going in there yourself, collar and tie and chatting to a senior officer not going through an agency. I appreciate that most charter companies use agencies and you have no choice but it still pays to pitch up in person for a seperate meeting without the agency girlie who has probably lost most of your papers anyway - keep copies for this eventuality. .

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