Kenya Airways AB Initio Pilot Recruitment
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hello guys,I jst finished my ab initiopilot application.I was wondering how long it will take before kenya airways contacts us. Also i just finished my degree but i am yet to graduate and i was wondering if one can go through the process before graduating.Anyone who has gone through the program please help.
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stanz martins, maithya and murder_to_excellence
You guys may wana do some READ first before asking repeated questions.
Read what maverick3, 254heavy and myself wrote first then asks questions!
Actually all that info is available at the carrier website....
"Potentially the next processing of the pilot applications will commence in February 2016."
and then you may wana find out the definition of the word "potentially" for those too naive to accept facts!
Read what maverick3, 254heavy and myself wrote first then asks questions!
Actually all that info is available at the carrier website....
"Potentially the next processing of the pilot applications will commence in February 2016."
and then you may wana find out the definition of the word "potentially" for those too naive to accept facts!
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@maithya.you can only go through the first step interview . for the rest of the process you will be required to have your details ready.at least thats what they didifor us. we did not have our form four certificates in 2013 at the time so they allowed us one interview and then gave us a week to have the certs ready. i did not make it to the end but i am getting a degree then i go back there again.
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Ab Initio
I have heard from a reliable source that this program will not be continued for now. If things in KQ get better and remains stable for another three to four years then it may resume.
Currently they should be cutting back on capacity with the grounding and sale of the 7 T7. Thats about 56 pilots who are not currently working. Wait and see approach and find something to do meanwhile. Don't peg your hopes on the program for now
Currently they should be cutting back on capacity with the grounding and sale of the 7 T7. Thats about 56 pilots who are not currently working. Wait and see approach and find something to do meanwhile. Don't peg your hopes on the program for now
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If in May 2016 they do get the go ahead and start direct flights to North America then that will be a game changer. More likely T7's will be utilised fully depending on the initial route they decide to commence on. My understanding is that the 200's are the ones being sold and not the 300. Didn't one of the 300 flew to AMS like a few weeks ago?
The North America route could create alot of movements for the guys in narrow to medium to heavy bodies. Promotions too.
The North America route could create alot of movements for the guys in narrow to medium to heavy bodies. Promotions too.
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Spirit Vs. Mind
Hi, this' my first time post ever on PPRuNE. I'm an avid follower of many of it's threads from way back, including this one, but I've never gotten myself to post a reply on anything. See, the thing is, my spirit abhors rumours but my mind thrives on them. That explains why I'm a religious per-taker of rumours but am not such an excellent 'per-giver' of them actually. But then, since there are soon-yet-to-come holes and REAL turbulent times ahead for the Kenyan aviation industry, it's time to pickup some new hobbies for those of us in it.
So, to the rumour at hand...it's actually more of factual now that there is going to be a huge and thorough shakeup at KQ. Even though the spirit might want to believe and stick to the rumour going around that KQ might recruit new pilots in June of 2016, my mind is sharp enough to know better. From sources high in the food chain, word is that there will be a HUGE cut down in capacity.
First and foremost, all Boeing 777s are to leave. Two 777-200 are sold to Oman Air, two more to be sold. The 777-300 are leaving for Turkey. That's it for those beautiful birds. Well, so-long!
More, 3 Boeing 737-700 to be sold out.
To follow, are 3 Boeing 787 Dreamliners which are on plans to be leased out soon leaving only 6 Dreamliners as the only wide bodies for long hauls. At times I wonder what the state of mind of the people making decisions at KQ is when they are doing so? I know their spirits are in the right place but my worry is their minds? That's why am proud of KALPA, they seem to be have their mind and spirit in sync and in the right place for calling for the exit of these decision makers. To many people, and that includes majority of the bloggers and KOT, who have little to no knowledge of what's going on, KALPA is being 'just selfish with everything they really care about being an increase in their paychecks and not about the state of the company'. I'm not going to pretend to know everything and judge we Kenyans for pretending to know everything, but all I'm saying is maybe we should listen to people who spent thousands of hours in an industry that forms the core of their livelihood. They might know a lot more than just the KQ company theme-colour and the name of the CEO.
Let's assume hypothetically Mr. Boeing woke up one sad morning and heard of a fault in one of the Boeing 787 aircraft systems which necessitated him to send out a notice to all air operators operating his dream aircrafts, and ask them to ground their 787 fleet till the design problem is fixed. Even though there will be a cost implication on Mr. Boeing from the airlines, will KQ ground all its long-haul operations? My spirit tells me yes, but from the decisions I've seen being made, my mind tells me the Embraer will put on the Hanoi route. I pity the dispatchers who will be asked to put up a repetitive through plan for that. I bet they will be fired for making it to long and too costly!
Okay back to the rumour at hand. The downsize is not on the fleet capacity only, rumour has it that the aircraft-to-manpower ratio is going to be restructured significantly. That includes close to 100 pilots, from what's being said, flight attendants and ground personnel are also to be included. All departments are to be touched as I hear. Furthermore, the Boeing 737NG flight simulator is currently undergoing a cost benefit analysis to determine if its worth a keep or its better to be sold to another party for operation or complete ownership. Ahem, anyone know Cpt. J.M.Ririani? You can cough the wind to his direction. 'Pride 2' can become 'Kenya School of Advanced Flying'!
Tough times ahead I must say! If you were banking on the AB initio program maybe its time to align your spirit with your mind. It's going to be hash but we can never run away from the reality. We have to face it as it comes. Nothing in this life is guaranteed, and in the same breathe also this state at KQ might change for the better depending on what actions we see being taken, which I must say is critical at this point. For those of us with licenses and ratings, not to worry, am sure Youth Aviation will need people to file their flight plans and pick NOTAMS and METARS from the flight information offices.Or better still,new ab initio pilot trainees at Wilson airport flying schools might want to hear stories from South Africa from an experienced ground instructor. Am just kidding...it can't, and let's pray it doesn't, get to those levels.
End of rumour post1.
So, to the rumour at hand...it's actually more of factual now that there is going to be a huge and thorough shakeup at KQ. Even though the spirit might want to believe and stick to the rumour going around that KQ might recruit new pilots in June of 2016, my mind is sharp enough to know better. From sources high in the food chain, word is that there will be a HUGE cut down in capacity.
First and foremost, all Boeing 777s are to leave. Two 777-200 are sold to Oman Air, two more to be sold. The 777-300 are leaving for Turkey. That's it for those beautiful birds. Well, so-long!
More, 3 Boeing 737-700 to be sold out.
To follow, are 3 Boeing 787 Dreamliners which are on plans to be leased out soon leaving only 6 Dreamliners as the only wide bodies for long hauls. At times I wonder what the state of mind of the people making decisions at KQ is when they are doing so? I know their spirits are in the right place but my worry is their minds? That's why am proud of KALPA, they seem to be have their mind and spirit in sync and in the right place for calling for the exit of these decision makers. To many people, and that includes majority of the bloggers and KOT, who have little to no knowledge of what's going on, KALPA is being 'just selfish with everything they really care about being an increase in their paychecks and not about the state of the company'. I'm not going to pretend to know everything and judge we Kenyans for pretending to know everything, but all I'm saying is maybe we should listen to people who spent thousands of hours in an industry that forms the core of their livelihood. They might know a lot more than just the KQ company theme-colour and the name of the CEO.
Let's assume hypothetically Mr. Boeing woke up one sad morning and heard of a fault in one of the Boeing 787 aircraft systems which necessitated him to send out a notice to all air operators operating his dream aircrafts, and ask them to ground their 787 fleet till the design problem is fixed. Even though there will be a cost implication on Mr. Boeing from the airlines, will KQ ground all its long-haul operations? My spirit tells me yes, but from the decisions I've seen being made, my mind tells me the Embraer will put on the Hanoi route. I pity the dispatchers who will be asked to put up a repetitive through plan for that. I bet they will be fired for making it to long and too costly!
Okay back to the rumour at hand. The downsize is not on the fleet capacity only, rumour has it that the aircraft-to-manpower ratio is going to be restructured significantly. That includes close to 100 pilots, from what's being said, flight attendants and ground personnel are also to be included. All departments are to be touched as I hear. Furthermore, the Boeing 737NG flight simulator is currently undergoing a cost benefit analysis to determine if its worth a keep or its better to be sold to another party for operation or complete ownership. Ahem, anyone know Cpt. J.M.Ririani? You can cough the wind to his direction. 'Pride 2' can become 'Kenya School of Advanced Flying'!
Tough times ahead I must say! If you were banking on the AB initio program maybe its time to align your spirit with your mind. It's going to be hash but we can never run away from the reality. We have to face it as it comes. Nothing in this life is guaranteed, and in the same breathe also this state at KQ might change for the better depending on what actions we see being taken, which I must say is critical at this point. For those of us with licenses and ratings, not to worry, am sure Youth Aviation will need people to file their flight plans and pick NOTAMS and METARS from the flight information offices.Or better still,new ab initio pilot trainees at Wilson airport flying schools might want to hear stories from South Africa from an experienced ground instructor. Am just kidding...it can't, and let's pray it doesn't, get to those levels.
End of rumour post1.
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Great rumour post lad!
Regarding feet, yes they will be cut downs some already happening.
Regarding senior management, yes that's an overdue checklist. Mind you some of the senior management will go home but they will go with money bags! That would defeat the purpose!
Regarding Pilots, well KAPLA will make alot of noise, court cases, media....etc then a week later everyone will forget about it and move on. Affected pilots will move to ME and China were they are bleeding for Pilots. Some may already be making the move.
The 737 Sim will probably stay as currently it's saving them some coin on rating guys, recurrent, and training newbies.
The USA launch will not make huge impact because it's not a direct flight. So more costs to where the stop over will be.
2018- Onwards things MAY start getting better. What Kenya Airways are just realizing is that they no longer have a monopoly of their precious routes in Africa! As if they didn't see it coming!
Regarding feet, yes they will be cut downs some already happening.
Regarding senior management, yes that's an overdue checklist. Mind you some of the senior management will go home but they will go with money bags! That would defeat the purpose!
Regarding Pilots, well KAPLA will make alot of noise, court cases, media....etc then a week later everyone will forget about it and move on. Affected pilots will move to ME and China were they are bleeding for Pilots. Some may already be making the move.
The 737 Sim will probably stay as currently it's saving them some coin on rating guys, recurrent, and training newbies.
The USA launch will not make huge impact because it's not a direct flight. So more costs to where the stop over will be.
2018- Onwards things MAY start getting better. What Kenya Airways are just realizing is that they no longer have a monopoly of their precious routes in Africa! As if they didn't see it coming!
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After all they are just rumours or NOT! . All in all things are worse! They are paying workers using a credit card which has millions of interest rate to pay back! Never seen it like this!
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salary disbursement by credit
254 HEAVY...now THAT one is a HEAVY rumour rafiki!! I say...KQ better call it a day!! Was that rumour by ear or eye? Or was it over a crate of beers at "Dam Busters"?? 
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Kinda a known factor hence KAPLA is making some noise and now COTU have joined them. Its about time.
On the other news THY have struck a deal to acquire all 3 K.A T7-300 from GECAS. Not good for the pilots who worked so hard to become "heavy" drivers!
On the other news THY have struck a deal to acquire all 3 K.A T7-300 from GECAS. Not good for the pilots who worked so hard to become "heavy" drivers!
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Ab initio job advert is back
I visited the KQ careers website today, and noticed that the adverts for both ab initio and DEP are back up. Maybe there is hope after all...
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About the sim...from what I hear not much 'coin-saving' is projected since only one lot, the guys who just came back from S.A, are expected to start their training and after that it might be a while before a new lot uses it for type training. That will leave it underutilized for some time just like it has been for a while now. Because, from what I hear, the simulator has been running at below 20% utilization and that includes use by guys from Rwandair and since KQ is looking to raise capital urgently it's part of the assets undergoing cost benefit analysis to see if it's better to dispose it off and inturn raise some capital from it. I won't be surprised to hear it has been sold off but it would have been wise to keep it if I was the decision makers...
I agree let's hope things get better from 2018 but I would probably go with 2020. The state the company is in right now will only take a miracle to get it back on it's feet by 2018. Some pilots have not been on the schedule for a while now...and they are digging to fire the new guys in the slightest opportunity they get. Payment of employees is by credit each month for some time now, suppliers are not being paid...huge trouble but let's hope things lookup in the future
I agree let's hope things get better from 2018 but I would probably go with 2020. The state the company is in right now will only take a miracle to get it back on it's feet by 2018. Some pilots have not been on the schedule for a while now...and they are digging to fire the new guys in the slightest opportunity they get. Payment of employees is by credit each month for some time now, suppliers are not being paid...huge trouble but let's hope things lookup in the future
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Ab-initio recruitment
First post on Pp Rune i have been a follower for sometime looking forward to achieving my dream of being a Airline pilot.
My question is on KQ abinitio program i have been trying to look for advertisement but with no success.
i Had applied in 2012 but dint pass psycho motor test but it was a long time and believe after finishing my university will apply again.And has the rule on after two years after going through interview your are eligible to apply again
Anyone in luck applying or any info on next advertisement.
My question is on KQ abinitio program i have been trying to look for advertisement but with no success.
i Had applied in 2012 but dint pass psycho motor test but it was a long time and believe after finishing my university will apply again.And has the rule on after two years after going through interview your are eligible to apply again
Anyone in luck applying or any info on next advertisement.
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Well they (management) put themselves in the hole they are right now. Worse is they have hired a dozen consultants to get them out of the hole which is kinda late. Furthermore these consultants aren't cheap! Why didn't they not hire the consultants when profits were high to generates more profits like what Middle East carriers are doing. Always the opposite with K.A!
They had a good opportunity to utilize the sim some time back when ET approached them but K.A thought they will be on top forever! Guess what, ET now has 5 full flight simulator and now K.A B787 guys do their recurrent training at ET B787 Sim
A very sad state for the carrier at the moment..........
Nextcaptain254
The link for the ad's got pulled out! I think it was an error. As what Ladan mentioned they are in no position to hire at the moment and true they are looking at cutting alot of staff benefits and human power. Actually as a pilot you don't want to be hired by the carrier at the moment. They will retain you as a Second officer for like forever coz they know they are paying you peanuts! The guys flying in the bush will be making more shillings than you! I have never understood why K.A Second officers take more than a year to check out as First Officers. Only a few have checked out in less than a year! Lot of the carriers over here don't take more than 3 months and the pilots are newbies 250-300hrs.
They had a good opportunity to utilize the sim some time back when ET approached them but K.A thought they will be on top forever! Guess what, ET now has 5 full flight simulator and now K.A B787 guys do their recurrent training at ET B787 Sim
A very sad state for the carrier at the moment..........
Nextcaptain254
The link for the ad's got pulled out! I think it was an error. As what Ladan mentioned they are in no position to hire at the moment and true they are looking at cutting alot of staff benefits and human power. Actually as a pilot you don't want to be hired by the carrier at the moment. They will retain you as a Second officer for like forever coz they know they are paying you peanuts! The guys flying in the bush will be making more shillings than you! I have never understood why K.A Second officers take more than a year to check out as First Officers. Only a few have checked out in less than a year! Lot of the carriers over here don't take more than 3 months and the pilots are newbies 250-300hrs.
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Hey guys, what are the prerequisites necessary to be eligible for the ab initio program? I have read past messages on this forum and I have heard that a degree certificate has become a prerequisite......I am seeking reassuarance and clarity on what is necessary.
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@Cisna,
From there sight this are there requirements;
University Degree
Mean grade B plain or equivalent and B in Maths, English and Physics
Must be Kenyan citizens aged 18 and above but not beyond 28 years
Minimum height of 5'4'' and a maximum of 6'2''
Must be a good team player of high integrity
Must possess strong interpersonal, communication and organizational skills
Must be medically fit with good eyesight
Keen to learn under a very demanding environment
Hope this useful
From there sight this are there requirements;
University Degree
Mean grade B plain or equivalent and B in Maths, English and Physics
Must be Kenyan citizens aged 18 and above but not beyond 28 years
Minimum height of 5'4'' and a maximum of 6'2''
Must be a good team player of high integrity
Must possess strong interpersonal, communication and organizational skills
Must be medically fit with good eyesight
Keen to learn under a very demanding environment
Hope this useful