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Old 10th Sep 2007, 15:58
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DRC Presidential Aircraft Attached at FALA

Happened to be down on the maintenance apron today and saw the Sheriff attaching the B707 9Q-CLK in terms of an outstanding warrant to attach the assets of the DRC in a longstanding fight between a South African businessman and the government of the DRC. Remember the Falcon 50 that stood at Lanseria for so many years?
Seems the aircraft is at Lanseria for an interior makeover. The attorney of the plaintiff had been keeping a watch for any assets of the government, having missed a B727 at Cape Town recently.
Guard placed on the aircraft and the tower informed it cannot be moved.

I must say, that after all the rampant bribery and corruption that we encounter in Kinshasa and other DRC destinations, a certain schadenfreude exists.

Had a look through the engines - bloody hell! - I cannot believe that anyone would fly an aircraft with first stage blades that look like those do. It would be very interesting to see if the SACAA actually allows this aircraft to leave the country with engines in that condition.
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Shame the SACAA can't also impound the goons that guard those aircraft. They've been particularly obnoxious at FEAA recently.
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The Aircraft owned by nobody?

Scuttlebutt has it the aircraft does not belong to the DRC government but to the late Lauren Kabila who passed on in 2001 (I think). And we thought our CAA were slow with registration changes!
Here's a thought - can an aircraft be owned by a dead person? Surely the C of A is not valid - in the case of bad times, who does one sue? what about maintenance oversight ( joke!) and, if the owner has shuffled off, who carries the insurance?
CAA, is this enough of a hint to take a look at the engines and paperwork as they do to us?
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What happened to Kabila's B707

Saw in a South African newspaper that President Kabila's Boeing 707 of the D.R.of Congo was seized in Lanseria where it got refurbished (something with a bill that was not paid or so).
As Kabila is going to New York for the U.N. meeting this weekend, he will be passing Brussels and rumour goes it will be with the B707 9Q-CLK, would love to see that aircraft.
Any updates on this story will be highly appreciated !

Thanks in advance and greetings.
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Snoop 9Q-CLK

This B-707 9Q-CLK was attached about 10 days ago by Frans Rootman who has a judgment against the DRC Government for +/- $20 million. You may recall that Rootman also attached and sold the DRC's Falcon 50 9Q-CPK that was standing at Lanseria in 2004.
The 707 has had an interior makeover, apparently under the project management of Bionic Aviation, headed by an Eastern European who goes by the name of BOTA. I wonder if he will get paid for the work since I understand Rootman has watertight evidence that this aircraft belongs to the DRC Government, and not to Kabila personally, as the DRC claims. I also understand that the aircraft will be sold by the Sheriff sometime around the third week of October.
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Well, I wonder will it be around for as long as Mobutu's old 707, which has been rotting away in various locations in LIS for decades. Last spotted last year: is it still there?
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Mobutu's old 707 has been scrapped in LIS this year (I'm sorry to say).
Thanks both for your reaction.
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That is the one they meant....
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.p...6055263&nseq=0
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Frans Rootman

Can you believe African countries like the DRC who believe that South Africa, and South Africans, owe them anything and everything? They have the audacity to enter into agreements with South Africans whilst they have but no intention of paying their debt arising from such agreements. Then they go and get upset when you try and recover some of your debt by attaching their aeroplanes! There are several South Africans with legitimate judgments against the DRC. While the DRC are ignoring these South African Court Orders (this constitutes contempt of court), these judgments are of full force and effect and will remain so for at least 30 years. We will hunt down all and any DRC assets we can find and have already registered our judgments in several other countries (eg. Uganda, Israel, Zambia and the ICJ in The Hague). The attachment of this 707 is just a single action in a bigger effort of recovering our lawfully owed debt.
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FR&ASS,

Nice looking 707 you got there
As a matter of interest, what is stopping the pilots lighting the fires and heading off, even though FALA tower would not give them clearance, I mean we are talking DRC here !
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Anyone else see a game of tit for tat with SA reg aircraft developing here?
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Yup, I await some bullish-bush-justice....
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Snoop Drc B707 9q-clk

Long Congolese faces this afternoon at the Pretoria High Court after judgment was reserved in the matter of the attachment of the DRC's B707 at FALA. Counsel for the DRC argued the matter should be on the "urgent" role since the attachment is costing King Congo, AKA Joseph Kabila, $25,000 per day in alternative aircraft charter costs. However, before the urgency point could be argued, the court heard that the aircraft had apparently been attached again this morning, on a seperate writ, issued by a company called Executive Outcomes. Bang goes the "urgency" issue since Executive Outcomes' attachment will now have to be argued.

I understand that the matter now goes onto the court's ordinary role and will be heard maybe sometime next year, with an appeal, if there is one, the year after, so it seems 9Q-CLK will be a feature at FALA for some time to come.

Me thinks a plinth ought to be built at the gates of FALA and the 707 placed on top of it as a reminder to the many African Heads of State passing through Lanseria that they really ought to pay their debts.
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She belongs to the DRC

Act 17702 707-138 9Q-CLK Congo - Government 1999-03
N707SK Skyways 1992-04
N707KS Skyways 1987-12
N600JJ Skyways 1987-06-01
N600JJ Sheikh A.Baroom 1981-06
N600JJ Trafalgar Leas 1979-10-10
N600JJ Private (Charlotte Aircraft Corporation) 1978-11-07
G-AWDG Laker Airways 1969-01-29
G-AWDG British Eagle 1968-03-15
VH-EBG Qantas 1959-09-18

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6055263

Regards

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Executive Outcomes - wow, is this Simon Mann's "revenge"
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Hey Frans - I guess it was you that called me re the pic I took of 9Q-CLK ? Was in the UK at the time.

RB
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have pics of interior refurbishment - how does one copy a pic onto a reply - other than posting a URL ?
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DRC Needs to Wake UP

Why would the DRC think they could bring their Air Force One to South Africa and have it refurbished? They must have a short memory! Do they must remember what happened to their Falcon 50?
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RobinB said
"have pics of interior refurbishment - how does one copy a pic onto a reply - other than posting a URL ?"

You could use photobucket.com to upload them and then copy the image tag from that site in the mail on this site (if that's allowed on this forum ofcourse) very easy and cost nothing (yes i'm Dutch)
Would like to see the pics of the interior !
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Devil Drc Aircraft Reg,no: 9q-clk The Drc Scandal

The DRC Congo Government well known for corruption, looting, destruction, bribery, exploitation of their mineral rights, thuggery, arms smuggling, warfare and no respect for any form of justice, regarding themselves above the law, disrespecting justice is once again in the news for the attachment of a Boeing 707-138, Reg,nr: 9Q-CLK by Creditors who fight the ignorance of this corrupt government.

Having obtained a judgement in a independent court of law in RSA, Mr.Rootman and several other Creditors must seek assets of this corrupt government in an attempt to enforce justice against a government that has no respect for the law, it’s a total scandal for this DRC Government to refuse to respect another country’s law but so typical of their ability to proof to the world how rotten their integrity really is.

Mr.Rootman has established from sources that this Boeing 707 is standing at FAA Trimmers at South-Africa`s Lanseria Airport being decorated with gold plated washbasin, toilet and all the shiny rubbish while millions in the DRC Congo lives far beyond the breadline in the poorest conditions, in a country which is nearly if not the richest in minerals but destroyed by the governments corruption and exploitation, Mr.Rootman established that this aircraft belongs to the DRC Government and after his attachment they DRC Government responded by saying the aircraft does not belong to the government but by Joseph Kabila the President of the country himself, his personal aircraft.

In the court case a certain Me. Jaynet D. Kabila opposed Rootman`s attachment claiming with a document dated after Rootman`s attachment known in the DRC as a ,,Proces –Verbal Du Counseil De Famille,, that after six (6) year and eight(8) months after Laurent Desiree Kabila the previous DRC President were assassinated who the Respondent claim the legal owner of the aircraft is, now belongs to Joseph Kabila as they the Kabila children has now decided in his will years after his death.
One cannot help to think this is just another DRC Government falsification and attempt to mislead justice as they are well known for this.

Uncertified photo copied Documents before court were filed by Janynet Kabila`s RSA Lawyers, which is as follow:

1: CIVIL AVIATION AIR STATION LICENSE NO: 1027 Dated 28 May 1998:
Registration : 9Q-CLK Call sign: 9 LK Type: B 707
Owner: Laurent D. Kabila
Transmitters: Collins 618M, 100W, Category:J3E Frequency 2-30MHZ
Collins 618T, 25W, A3E Frequency: 1180-136.0 MHZ

Other equipment: ADF-VOR-ILS-RDR-MTG-GPS-FMS

2: REGISTRATION CERTIFICATE,NO: 1027 Dated 28 May 1998:
Registration: 9Q-CLK
Manufacturer: Boeing Aircraft Company
Aircraft type: 707-138
Serial no: 17702
Name of Owner: M`Zee Laurent Desire` Kabila

3: AIRWORTHINESS CERTIFICATE NO: 1027 Dated 28 May 1998:
Nationality Registration no: 9Q-CLK
Manufacturer: Boeing 707-138
Serial no: 17702
These Certificated were issued by the Zaire/DC Congo Director of Civil Aviation on 28 May 1998 , Mr.Ngekisoha Mayanga

4: A DECLERATION BY THE PRESENT DIRECTOR OF CIVIL AVIATION OF THE DRC CONGO, on a Ministry of Transport letterhead of the DRC Government, ref,no: 416/DAC/TVC/SEC/687/2007 , Dated 19 September 2007:

In this document Mr.Muaka Mvuezolo the Director of Civil Aviation declares that the aircraft 9Q-CLK, Serial number: 17702, Make: Boeing 707-138 was registered on 28 May 1998 certificate no:1027 in the name of Mzee Laurent Desire` Kabila.

It is totally questionable and against all international aircraft safety rules and registration conditions of a aircraft that a aircraft which is registered on a dead persons name can still fly around the world, if so, ..if so its just another clear proof that the DRC Government don’t care at all for any rules or laws, however this aircraft landed at Lanseria Airport in South-Africa without logbooks, without any documentation, or airworthy certificates.

The following questions is raised now:
1: How can RSA Authorities allow this aircraft to land in Lanseria:
2: Why does the aircraft has no Logbooks?
3: Who is paying FAA Trimmers and Ovation?, how much? For what works?
4: Who is paying the Landing Fees?, Dock Fees?, Fuel bill?

Mr.Rootman we all support your efforts to fight for justice and standing up against this corrupt DRC Government, I`m sure if you give a good reward for any more information regarding this aircraft, its history and how it ended up in the DRC Government`s hands you will get highly qualified people with integrity that will assist you, this very dangerous rubbish aircraft with spooky papers outdated belonging to a dead man assassinated nearly 7 year ago flying around endangering many people life must be stopped.
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