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Wreckage has been found this morning, unfortunatelly we can expect bad news..........
plane is located in a mountain area, close to the Ugandan border, rescue team should be on the accident site
plane is located in a mountain area, close to the Ugandan border, rescue team should be on the accident site
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Originally Posted by south coast
They crash becuase of bad terrain, huge mountains and very bad weather.
i am not passing judgement on what happened, but your statement is a little foolish i think...
how many mountains do you know of that flew into planes and killed the people on board...?
so, for whatever reason it might be, it was the pilots that flew into the ground/mountain/bad weather or whatever you want to call it....if they were all aces as you say they would still be alive...
i am not detracting from people who are good pilots, but it seems our community finds it hard to accept it when we make mistakes, errors in judgement, or just fcuk up which may ultimately lead to a crash.
we all make mistakes, just hopefully we live to learn from them, always going to be the case...[/quote].......I dont know who u are but realy have some respect that plane had one off my best friends onboard and 1 of the best pilots I know.
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I bet you are a real Ace...hey??
Originally Posted by south coast
They crash becuase of bad terrain, huge mountains and very bad weather.
i am not passing judgement on what happened, but your statement is a little foolish i think...
how many mountains do you know of that flew into planes and killed the people on board...?
so, for whatever reason it might be, it was the pilots that flew into the ground/mountain/bad weather or whatever you want to call it....if they were all aces as you say they would still be alive...
i am not detracting from people who are good pilots, but it seems our community finds it hard to accept it when we make mistakes, errors in judgement, or just fcuk up which may ultimately lead to a crash.
we all make mistakes, just hopefully we live to learn from them, always going to be the case...[/quote]
You have obviously never left the comfort of flying in a first world country, were weather forecasts are available and are accurate. The there are no mountains that are higher then your aircrafts cruising levels and you have to fly from GPS point to GPS point between the peaks, and let me not mention that you have never flown in areas were people are trying to shoot you down at every opportunity they get.
You probably are one of those guys who will sit in the pub talking about how great you are and that you always make the right decisions and how bad other pilots are because they flew into a mountain…because as far as you know…” no mountain has ever flown into a plane…hahaha.”
I saw a good T-shirt once…it said “think before you say something stupid”
Have some heart…it looks like three people might have lost their lives for g*d sake.
Sorry to all of you who had to read this.
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I bet you are a real Ace...hey??
Originally Posted by 747barberspole
Your comment takes a lot away from all the people involved in such areas.
how many mountains do you know of that flew into planes and killed the people on board...?
so, for whatever reason it might be, it was the pilots that flew into the ground/mountain/bad weather or whatever you want to call it....if they were all aces as you say they would still be alive...
i am not detracting from people who are good pilots, but it seems our community finds it hard to accept it when we make mistakes, errors in judgement, or just fcuk up which may ultimately lead to a crash.
we all make mistakes, just hopefully we live to learn from them, always going to be the case...[/quote]
You have obviously never left the comfort of flying in a first world country, were weather forecasts are available and are accurate. The there are no mountains that are higher then your aircrafts cruising levels and you have to fly from GPS point to GPS point between the peaks, and let me not mention that you have never flown in areas were people are trying to shoot you down at every opportunity they get.
You probably are one of those guys who will sit in the pub talking about how great you are and that you always make the right decisions and how bad other pilots are because they flew into a mountain…because as far as you know…” no mountain has ever flown into a plane…hahaha.”
I saw a good T-shirt once…it said “think before you say something stupid”
Have some heart…it looks like three people might have lost their lives for g*d sake.
Sorry to all of you who had to read this.[/quote]
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Before anyone gets into a slanging match, South Coast has a lot of experience working in Africa. The leg from Goma to Bunia has an MSA of around 17000' IIRC as one passes the Rwenzoris. No place for an unpressurised aircraft.
Speculation can only lead to strife and frayed tempers at this emotional time so better we keep things civilised.
Just a thought...
Speculation can only lead to strife and frayed tempers at this emotional time so better we keep things civilised.
Just a thought...
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R.I.P to an Ace
I think this is a very emotional time for everybody that had any contact with the pilots and passenger. Please lets wait to hear all the details.
My thoughts go out to their families and other friends.
R.I.P my friend, I'll be missing you.
My thoughts go out to their families and other friends.
R.I.P my friend, I'll be missing you.
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Originally Posted by sky_rider
I am sad to say that they have found the bodies nobody survived.
An UN helicopter will be on site tomorrow morning.
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Well...
To my dear friends who lost their lives in DRC, may you rest in peace. I will miss all the good times and hope that when we meet again someday, we can have a few beers up there with you...
Can i also appeal to all operators that utilize single-engine, unpressurized aircraft in DRC to withdraw them and replace them with an aircraft that is fit for the job. The MSAs along their particular route were 17100, 12500 & 19100, hardly a job for a caravan. I would hate to see more lives being lost in such unneccessary way.
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Can i also appeal to all operators that utilize single-engine, unpressurized aircraft in DRC to withdraw them and replace them with an aircraft that is fit for the job. The MSAs along their particular route were 17100, 12500 & 19100, hardly a job for a caravan. I would hate to see more lives being lost in such unneccessary way.
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The NGOs release a document inviting tenders for an aircraft that meets certain requirements. If they wanted pressurised aircraft they would specify it. Don't take this out on the operators, it's the NGOs who have no clue and don't want to spend money on the correct equipment.
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Sad sad week....my condolances to family and friends.
Needless to say was damn greatfull to get out of that operating environment. Anyone who has operated up there will obviously know what the situation is like...whoever is to blame.
Needless to say was damn greatfull to get out of that operating environment. Anyone who has operated up there will obviously know what the situation is like...whoever is to blame.
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Cheers boy's
I started this thread hoping for the best, but unfortunately is wasn’t to be, regardless of circumstances, opinions or comments we have all lost a fantastic person (in both crew members and the pax) if you knew them or not.
My condolences go out to the family’s, friends and colleges of the guy’s.
So every body out there if in a first world, contract or the @#%$ hole called DRC lets all be careful and help each other rather than passing judgment.
To SAMOSA thanks for the accurate reports and 747BARBERSPOLE you guys obviosly understand.
Personally: let’s have a drink to absent friends, gone but never forgotten, cheers boys
LIGP
My condolences go out to the family’s, friends and colleges of the guy’s.
So every body out there if in a first world, contract or the @#%$ hole called DRC lets all be careful and help each other rather than passing judgment.
To SAMOSA thanks for the accurate reports and 747BARBERSPOLE you guys obviosly understand.
Personally: let’s have a drink to absent friends, gone but never forgotten, cheers boys
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Publication : Sunday 30th - 17H30 UTC
An aircraft wreck close to Africa's fabled Mountains of the Moon is believed to be the South African chartered plane that went missing on Friday.
While the South African Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) confirmed on Sunday that the wreck was that of the aircraft, the United Nations World Food Programme (WFP) said this could not yet be confirmed.
The aircraft had been chartered by the WPF.
Phindiwe Gwebu, spokesperson for the CAA said the plane, a Cessna Caravan light plane carrying two crew members and a passenger, was found on the Ugandan side of the mountains, also known as the Rwenzori massif, at 8.45am.
CAA wants to investigate the crash
"The plane has been identified and the Ugandan authorities are still trying to get access to the plane in order to ascertain if there are any survivors," said Gwebu.
Earlier reports that the bodies had been found appeared to have been the result of miscommunication between civil aviation authorities in South Africa and Uganda
She said Ugandan inspectors had spotted the aircraft and confirmed that it was the South African-registered Cessna. All three people on-board were South Africans. (actually 2 SA and 1 French/Canadian)
Gwebu also said the CAA would request for permission from their counterparts in Uganda to investigate the crash.
Contact with the plane, chartered by the United Nations World Food Programme (WFP), was lost on Friday after it had taken off from Goma in the eastern DRC flying to Bunia.
'No signs of the bodies'
The Rwenzori massif falls in both the DRC and Uganda.
Earlier on Saturday, WFP spokesperson Peter Smerdon said from Nairobi, Kenya, that a wreckage was sighted on the mountains' Margherita peak, the third highest summit in Africa at 5 109m above sea level.
WFP spokesperson for Southern Africa, Mike Huggins disputed the wreckage has been identified as the missing South African plane.
"There is nothing indicating that the wreckage is that of the plane. We have not been able to land there and there are no signs of the bodies," said Huggins.
He also said the search for the missing plane, co-ordinated by the UN Mission in the DRC (MONUC), would continue until a confirmation was made.
The plane crashed only a day after South African pilots Andre Nel and Charles Greyvenstein died when the plane they were flying crashed on approach to Amisi in the DRC.
Six Congolese, two air crew and four passengers were also killed in the crash.
Gwebu said the CAA had also sought permission to travel to the DRC to investigate the crash but no response has been received from the authorities there.
The Pretoria News On Saturday quoted unnamed sources as saying the possibility that the plane was shot down was being investigated.
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An aircraft wreck close to Africa's fabled Mountains of the Moon is believed to be the South African chartered plane that went missing on Friday.
While the South African Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) confirmed on Sunday that the wreck was that of the aircraft, the United Nations World Food Programme (WFP) said this could not yet be confirmed.
The aircraft had been chartered by the WPF.
Phindiwe Gwebu, spokesperson for the CAA said the plane, a Cessna Caravan light plane carrying two crew members and a passenger, was found on the Ugandan side of the mountains, also known as the Rwenzori massif, at 8.45am.
CAA wants to investigate the crash
"The plane has been identified and the Ugandan authorities are still trying to get access to the plane in order to ascertain if there are any survivors," said Gwebu.
Earlier reports that the bodies had been found appeared to have been the result of miscommunication between civil aviation authorities in South Africa and Uganda
She said Ugandan inspectors had spotted the aircraft and confirmed that it was the South African-registered Cessna. All three people on-board were South Africans. (actually 2 SA and 1 French/Canadian)
Gwebu also said the CAA would request for permission from their counterparts in Uganda to investigate the crash.
Contact with the plane, chartered by the United Nations World Food Programme (WFP), was lost on Friday after it had taken off from Goma in the eastern DRC flying to Bunia.
'No signs of the bodies'
The Rwenzori massif falls in both the DRC and Uganda.
Earlier on Saturday, WFP spokesperson Peter Smerdon said from Nairobi, Kenya, that a wreckage was sighted on the mountains' Margherita peak, the third highest summit in Africa at 5 109m above sea level.
WFP spokesperson for Southern Africa, Mike Huggins disputed the wreckage has been identified as the missing South African plane.
"There is nothing indicating that the wreckage is that of the plane. We have not been able to land there and there are no signs of the bodies," said Huggins.
He also said the search for the missing plane, co-ordinated by the UN Mission in the DRC (MONUC), would continue until a confirmation was made.
The plane crashed only a day after South African pilots Andre Nel and Charles Greyvenstein died when the plane they were flying crashed on approach to Amisi in the DRC.
Six Congolese, two air crew and four passengers were also killed in the crash.
Gwebu said the CAA had also sought permission to travel to the DRC to investigate the crash but no response has been received from the authorities there.
The Pretoria News On Saturday quoted unnamed sources as saying the possibility that the plane was shot down was being investigated.
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Pilot, wife on doomed flight
30/04/2006 21:53 - (SA)
Johannesburg - Two South Africans were on board a plane missing since Friday in the eastern Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), the department of foreign affairs said on Sunday night.
"Indeed, two South Africans were in the ill-fated plane," spokesperson Ronnie Mamoepa said after earlier having reported that there were no South Africans on board.
They were the pilot and his wife.
A third passenger, believed to be a French or Canadian citizen, was also on board.
On Sunday there were conflicting reports about the whether the wreckage of the plane, a single-engine Caravan, had been found.
"It has not been found," said Mamoepa.
"However, part of a wreckage has been found, resembling an ill-fated plane and investigations are under way."
The United Nations World Food Programme (WFP) had chartered the aircraft to fly from Goma, in the eastern Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), to Bunia, further north.
The wreckage of a plane had been found in the fabled Mountains of the Moon, also known as the Rwenzori massif, which is between the two towns and shared by the DRC and Uganda.
"The Caravan was operated by King Air Charter Services, based in South Africa, and King Air Charter Services said the wreckage was located at an altitude of 3 600m on Margherita Peak, which is the third highest summit in Africa," read a WFP release on Sunday.
"A UN helicopter twice tried today to land near the wreckage, which is just inside Ugandan territory.
"It was unable to do so and King Air Charter Services said efforts were underway to try and reach the wreckage from Uganda but the extremely difficult terrain at the crash site made it a complex operation."
The search will resume on Monday.
30/04/2006 21:53 - (SA)
Johannesburg - Two South Africans were on board a plane missing since Friday in the eastern Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), the department of foreign affairs said on Sunday night.
"Indeed, two South Africans were in the ill-fated plane," spokesperson Ronnie Mamoepa said after earlier having reported that there were no South Africans on board.
They were the pilot and his wife.
A third passenger, believed to be a French or Canadian citizen, was also on board.
On Sunday there were conflicting reports about the whether the wreckage of the plane, a single-engine Caravan, had been found.
"It has not been found," said Mamoepa.
"However, part of a wreckage has been found, resembling an ill-fated plane and investigations are under way."
The United Nations World Food Programme (WFP) had chartered the aircraft to fly from Goma, in the eastern Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), to Bunia, further north.
The wreckage of a plane had been found in the fabled Mountains of the Moon, also known as the Rwenzori massif, which is between the two towns and shared by the DRC and Uganda.
"The Caravan was operated by King Air Charter Services, based in South Africa, and King Air Charter Services said the wreckage was located at an altitude of 3 600m on Margherita Peak, which is the third highest summit in Africa," read a WFP release on Sunday.
"A UN helicopter twice tried today to land near the wreckage, which is just inside Ugandan territory.
"It was unable to do so and King Air Charter Services said efforts were underway to try and reach the wreckage from Uganda but the extremely difficult terrain at the crash site made it a complex operation."
The search will resume on Monday.
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Beeld - 01-05-2006
2de SA vliegtuig stort in twee dae in DRK neer
Apr 30 2006 09:52:24:310PM - (SA)
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Die wrakstukke - moontlik dié van die tweede Suid-Afrikaanse vliegtuig wat in twee dae in die Demokratiese Republiek van die Kongo (DRK) neergestort het - is gister op die derde hoogste bergpiek in Afrika tussen dié land en Uganda gevind.
Mnr. Peter Smerdon, woordvoerder van die VN se Wêreldvoedselprogram (WVP) in Nairobi, het gistermiddag gesê die onherbergsame gebied bemoeilik tot dusver die positiewe identifisering van die vliegtuig, sowel as die toestand van die drie insittendes.
Die kaptein van die vliegtuig, 'n Suid-Afrikaner, en sy Suid-Afrikaanse vrou was aan boord, tesame met 'n Kanadese mede-vlieënier van Montreal, het mnr. Mark van Buuren, kontrakbestuurder van King Air Services by die Lanseria- lughawe, gesê. Vroeër het mnr. Ronnie Mamoepa, woordvoerder van die departement van buitelandse sake, volgens Sapa gesê daar was geen Suid-Afrikaners aan boord nie.
Die vliegtuig het op kontrak vir die WVP gevlieg en het Vrydagoggend onderweg van Goma na Bunia in die ooste van die DRK in die Ruwenzori-gebergtes vermis geraak.
Volgens Smerdon het 'n soek- en reddingspan van Monuc, die VN se sending in die DRK, met 'n helikopter sedertdien na die wrak gesoek.
Wrakstukke is gister uit die lug gesien, maar die helikopter het twee keer tevergeefs in die onherbergsame gebied aan die Ugandese kant probeer land.
Die piek waarteen die vliegtuig vermoedelik vasgevlieg het, staan bekend as die Margharita-piek. 'n Ugandese reddingspan sou moontlik teen laat gistermiddag per pad die wrak probeer bereik het, maar Smerdon het gesê dit kan eers vandag begin.
Die ligte vliegtuig, 'n Cessna Caravan, het glo in gure weer in die piek van 3 600 m vasgevlieg. Volgens Van Buuren is King Air Services reeds meer as 'n jaar in die gebied gekontrakteer om personeel van die WVP rond te vlieg.
Nóg 'n Suid-Afrikaanse vliegtuig, 'n Convair 580, het Woensdag óók van Goma onderweg na Lubutu neergestort en aan die brand geraak.
Kapt. André Nel (53) en mnr. Charles Greyvenstein (37) - albei ervare vlieëniers met duisende vliegure op hul kerfstok - het saam met twee Kongolese bemanningslede in die ongeluk omgekom.
Gerugte in die gebied wou dit hê dat die vliegtuig moontlik met 'n vuurpylgelanseerde granaat (RPG) neergeskiet is.
Ingeligtes wat in die gebied vlieg, het gister gesê daar word verwag dat dit in die aanloop tot die Kongolese verkiesing in Junie al hoe onveiliger gaan word om in die ooste te vlieg. Sekere politieke groeperings in dié gebied is nié ten gunste van die verkiesing nie omdat hulle dan waarskynlik hul beheer in die gebied sal moet opgee. Al blyk dit asof die vliegtuig by eindnadering sy een vlerk in die grond gesteek het, versprei dié groeperings disinformasie om vrees te saai, terwyl hulle heeltemal goed toegerus is om vliegtuie op dié hoogte neer te skiet, is aan Beeld gesê.
Apr 30 2006 09:52:24:310PM - (SA)
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Erika Gibson
Die wrakstukke - moontlik dié van die tweede Suid-Afrikaanse vliegtuig wat in twee dae in die Demokratiese Republiek van die Kongo (DRK) neergestort het - is gister op die derde hoogste bergpiek in Afrika tussen dié land en Uganda gevind.
Mnr. Peter Smerdon, woordvoerder van die VN se Wêreldvoedselprogram (WVP) in Nairobi, het gistermiddag gesê die onherbergsame gebied bemoeilik tot dusver die positiewe identifisering van die vliegtuig, sowel as die toestand van die drie insittendes.
Die kaptein van die vliegtuig, 'n Suid-Afrikaner, en sy Suid-Afrikaanse vrou was aan boord, tesame met 'n Kanadese mede-vlieënier van Montreal, het mnr. Mark van Buuren, kontrakbestuurder van King Air Services by die Lanseria- lughawe, gesê. Vroeër het mnr. Ronnie Mamoepa, woordvoerder van die departement van buitelandse sake, volgens Sapa gesê daar was geen Suid-Afrikaners aan boord nie.
Die vliegtuig het op kontrak vir die WVP gevlieg en het Vrydagoggend onderweg van Goma na Bunia in die ooste van die DRK in die Ruwenzori-gebergtes vermis geraak.
Volgens Smerdon het 'n soek- en reddingspan van Monuc, die VN se sending in die DRK, met 'n helikopter sedertdien na die wrak gesoek.
Wrakstukke is gister uit die lug gesien, maar die helikopter het twee keer tevergeefs in die onherbergsame gebied aan die Ugandese kant probeer land.
Die piek waarteen die vliegtuig vermoedelik vasgevlieg het, staan bekend as die Margharita-piek. 'n Ugandese reddingspan sou moontlik teen laat gistermiddag per pad die wrak probeer bereik het, maar Smerdon het gesê dit kan eers vandag begin.
Die ligte vliegtuig, 'n Cessna Caravan, het glo in gure weer in die piek van 3 600 m vasgevlieg. Volgens Van Buuren is King Air Services reeds meer as 'n jaar in die gebied gekontrakteer om personeel van die WVP rond te vlieg.
Nóg 'n Suid-Afrikaanse vliegtuig, 'n Convair 580, het Woensdag óók van Goma onderweg na Lubutu neergestort en aan die brand geraak.
Kapt. André Nel (53) en mnr. Charles Greyvenstein (37) - albei ervare vlieëniers met duisende vliegure op hul kerfstok - het saam met twee Kongolese bemanningslede in die ongeluk omgekom.
Gerugte in die gebied wou dit hê dat die vliegtuig moontlik met 'n vuurpylgelanseerde granaat (RPG) neergeskiet is.
Ingeligtes wat in die gebied vlieg, het gister gesê daar word verwag dat dit in die aanloop tot die Kongolese verkiesing in Junie al hoe onveiliger gaan word om in die ooste te vlieg. Sekere politieke groeperings in dié gebied is nié ten gunste van die verkiesing nie omdat hulle dan waarskynlik hul beheer in die gebied sal moet opgee. Al blyk dit asof die vliegtuig by eindnadering sy een vlerk in die grond gesteek het, versprei dié groeperings disinformasie om vrees te saai, terwyl hulle heeltemal goed toegerus is om vliegtuie op dié hoogte neer te skiet, is aan Beeld gesê.