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Old 11th Sep 2017, 18:43   #1 (permalink)
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Mayday over the Wash

About 1100 today (11/09/2017) I overheard a Mayday call from an Arrow over the Wash; rough running followed by smoke in the cockpit, followed by engine failure. D&D asked him to keep transmitting after landing to see if he was ok: I was in the hold at LAM so lost him as he descended.
Everyone ok?
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AAIB reporting in an email notice this evening that a team has been sent to investigate a light aircraft accident that occurred north of King's Lynn , Norfolk .

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Pilot and passenger killed in Norfolk light aircraft crash - ITV News
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More here. Wolferton plane crash reaction - Latest Norfolk and Suffolk News - Eastern Daily Press
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Textbook journalism, how to write an article if you have no information about an accident.
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Interesting points: Unusual for the a/c type to be named so early in the reporting.
Also a/c reported landing with 'no undercarriage' .
Does anybody have more details as I have a friend who flies an Arrow from his own farmstrip not far from crash site.

Ages in report wrong, though.

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Aircraft type was mentioned by the OP, who heard the mayday. The BBC now has AAIB pics, and it looks like a good landing. Perhaps hitting some solid, unseen, obstruction?
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From Airline flight crew.
(11/09/2017) about 11am 121.5
We also heard the Mayday call from aircraft over the Wash , he stated he was in a PA 28 Arrow and that the he had rough running engine and was going to try make Marham but didn't know if he could make it . We could hear the rough engine in the background of the transmission.
There was a pause then he said " Oh Christ there's smoke in the cockpit "
We were writing it down to relay and heard that the Military had pick up transmission
I have passed this onto AAIB .
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My thoughts to all the family and friends of those involved. I was over the area at FL380 and heard it all unfold on 121.5. Rough running engine could be heard in background followed by a call that they had smoke in cockpit followed by engine failure. I was listening ready to pass on a message that they were down safely but did not hear anything and was just hoping as we flew north then we were out of range to hear. Was so sad to hear the news.
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BBC Norfolk News has named the pilot and stated that the aircraft was "Flying back from Menorca to Newcastle".
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From the local Newspaper.

Much-loved former Gateshead school worker Valerie Barnes killed in plane crash - Chronicle Live
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Such a shame to read about this accident.

I do wonder whether the airframe can be repaired as well but it looks quite smashed in the photos.
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I think that aircraft had been parked up for quite some time at Newcastle. I would see it quite often on the pan. I wondered then if it was abandoned.
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Damage looks to be from cutting to extract occupants rather than the landing.
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I think that aircraft had been parked up for quite some time at Newcastle. I would see it quite often on the pan. I wondered then if it was abandoned.

That picture was taken November 2015 at Newcastle Airport. Paint showing signs of distress.

Another picture here from July 2016 showing the paint suffering from being parked up.
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I suspect that a long period parked outside with the oil draining down from vital parts is not good. If the owner then just fires up and embarks on a long trip that must have taken its toll on the engine.

If the paint lacquer was breaking up what was happening inside to the mechanical parts?

I know from my own log books that I have often flown some very long sectors followed by periods where the aircraft has sat on the ground for a month or even longer. This is typical of an owner who uses the aircraft to travel long distances before parking up.

In contrast flying clubs seem to run their aircraft up to life with no problems.

In this accident it appears from reports that the engine suffered some sort of catastrophic failure.

The pictures clearly show the gear was not lowered. Sad to say if he had cleared that bund or bank the outcome might well have been different. The T tail won't have helped.

I see no marks in the grass behind so wonder if he stalled in?



At 11.00 am on the day the local weather was thundery squalls with a low cloud base. The aircraft had flown from Menorca with a destination of Newcastle.

The paint in the picture below appears to reflect corrosion from being parked outside? I wonder what the AAIB investigation will reveal on the cause of the engine failure?


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Looking at the very twisted port wing, might the a/c have spun round? Would explain the lack of trail this side and what appears to be débris ahead of it
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Aerial view here.
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That area has a lot of dykes. It appears from Jay's overhead that the aircraft hit the dyke in the undershoot rather than landing in the field where the two vehicles are. Certainly if I was aiming for the harrowed field I would have left the gear up. Often its' better than having the gear down and digging in and flipping over.

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I would agree with sir Niall, undershoot. id also keep gear up, (having done a gear up landing after and EFATO i'd possibly use that option for anything other than billiard ball field)
though maybe if it was down he would have landed half way down the field he was in.

As the air frame looks relatively intact, wonder if they were just wearing lap straps and got thrown about.

Anyway all conjecture and very sad for all concerned.
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wonder if they were just wearing lap straps and got thrown about
Possibility, had a good friend who flew into the side of a hill at night. Very benign type of crash, in that the aircraft received very little damage and would normally be considered a good force landing, if it hadn't been entirely accidental. Not wearing the shoulder strap, only the lap, hit his head on the instrument panel during the deacceleration. Accident happened at 0100 and found at 0700, body still warm. Bled to death.
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