Only 20?? which mostly have been on cadet schemes thats hardly a broad spectrum over view now is it
No. It is, as I have said before, "a snapshot." I have described the broad overview in some detail. Didn't you read it? If not go back and read it again, or do a quick search and read it in the many similar posts on this same subject.
So we can agree then you have no experence or personal knowledge about the stepping stone market
No. Again you are wrong I am afraid. We cannot agree, because that is simply not true. I have worked my way through most of the sectors of the aviation market (including yours) over a long career. I have flown turboprops on mornings so cold you had to warm your hands with hot water in bottles, to stop your fingers from going numb. I know first hand how difficult a sector of the market it can be. Over the years I have seen how the size and dynamic of that market has changed. I have worked as an instructor and an examiner. I have thousands of hours in that market and no doubt could give you a run for your money on the "true grit" and tales of "hardship and heroism" stakes. I have done "bush flying" in Africa for 2 years, and Ferry flights over parts of the world, the wisdom of which I now question, and thank "luck" for being on my side. I flew the early jets such as the Boeing 707 right through to the current crop such as the 767. Still my career continues, for which I am very grateful. So, no. I don't rely on the internet as being my "window on the world" because clearly I don't need to. However it is a tool, and as people use it to comment and research (or in many cases simply troll!) So it is a medium to also express valid and honest observations. With 7100 such "contributions" in the last 11 years, I assume you must agree?
Where as I on the other had I am a line trainer in that market. Haven't flown with a normal FO in a month and have a backlog of 2 months of line training to do.
Excellent! We all have our crosses to bear don't we? Although I am not sure what point you are trying to make exactly. If it is that the third tier airline market is booming, then that will come as great news to the many thousands of
wanabees who are relying on this as a part of their career development plans. If the point is that "normal" first officers don't fly with line trainers, then I am confused. However you then say:
We also I might add are getting applications from jet jocks for DEC because there is no work for them and they are even willing to pay for the rating.
Which rather suggests that the market is very weak across the board, which underscores everything I have been saying, and simply serves to reinforce the downward labour market pressures coming from relatively experienced pilots.
Can you answer this question.
If all the self finacing students which as you have said have little hope if they arn't on a cadetship didn't persue your recommended method of training. Would your prefered method of training excist in its current form, with enough capacity to allow expansion of airlines who have that prefered method of training?
I will try and answer your question. Firstly I am not sure what you mean by
self fiancing students. They are nearly all "self financing." If they have to save the money or borrow it from banks, parents, airline schemes or anything else, it is still "self financing." Secondly, I am not sure what you mean my "my prefered (sic) method of training excist (sic) in its current form." What preferred method of training? If you want me to opine on that subject it would be a whole new thread. I am making comment on the situation as it exists today. The realities of the marketplace as an observation. The options open to people based on those realities. That said, and discarding your erroneous suppositions, my answer would be: Yes. The training methods and courses employed at the FTO's utilized by the airline cadet programmes would still exist. These FTO's are not new, they have an established track record in their respective markets. Whilst they have grown, that growth has been restrained by the general economic cycle. It may be badly written, but if you are suggesting that the same FTO's are subsidized by non-cadet trainees using the same courses, they may well be. Arguably it could be that the cadet programmes subsidize the general integrated programmes I suppose? In any event, I would answer the question with a question. It is not a new question. It is one I have been asking here for a couple of years. It is one I have asked you and you have ignored. The question is:
If I were offering a sponsorship (and
money was not the prime consideration) which methodology would you choose for your training? The answer to what I suspect is your question, lies in the honest answer to that question. You have evaded it. Many other people have evaded it. I completely understand why. The airlines don't have this dilemma because the risk has been shifted to the candidate. Nevertheless, they also come up with the same answer. Anybody reading this can provide their own answer to your question without me having to say anything else.
In summary. This thread is titled:
Is there going to be another BA cadet program later this year?
There will be people who know the answer to the specific question and I am not one of them. I could only therefore venture an opinion. I apologize for taking up so much bandwidth arguing the same old subjects with the usual protagonists and advocates, however many of the points deserve repetition. This programme is a cadet scheme. It is a cadet scheme that utilizes the training methodology of three specific FTO's in this market. The methodology is an integrated course of training leading to a CPL/IR with ATPL ground subjects. It comprises the necessary elements of a Multi-crew Certification course, as well as a basic "jet orientation course." In combination this leads on to the introductory requirements for a First Officer apprenticeship with British airways. The qualification requirements as an industry average are very high, both in educational qualifications and in general selection criteria. Whether the programme re-opens this year or not, it is likely it will resume once there is a perceived requirement by the company for it to do so.