Paul
I am obviously NOT getting my message across in a clear way so one last try
Spinning in an isolated fashion is irrelevant.
If you have flown spins you will know that some end up in a spiral dive which is a very different situation.
While I fully appreciate the importance of never going there and the importance of identifying an aircraft close to a stall and stopping that developing I also realize that that target is wishful thinking, nice concept to hold but far from reality in real aircraft accidents.
Accidents happen when pilots are out of their own limits and usually a succession of incorrect decisions.
They become overloaded and I have seen pilots in such a state who could not even tell you their own name.
Those pilots could be in a situation where they miss the incipient stall because they are so preoccupied elsewhere and either find themselves in a full stall or worse.
I am an ex racer and find the comparison very close of a racing driver and an ordinary driver.
One is taught to handle a car and avoid situations where they get into a skid.
The racing driver is comfortable with the car out of shape at high speed understands oversteer understeer, power management, slides, braking points and weight distribution.
The poor ordinary driver gets into a situation where he has lost control and is ill equipt to do anything about it.
The racing driver is likely to drive faster but like for like is more likely to recover the situation.
So yes I am all for avoidance training but add the safeguard of feeling confident with the aircraft whatever it throws at you.
That does not mean the handling pilot will get away with it but he is more likely to than the untrained pilot.
We talk of instinctive reactions? Those are reactions which we have because they have ingrained into us through repeated experience.
The pilot trained to avoid may have instinctive reactions to avoid but go beyond that and he is in no mans land.
Spins in themselves are just one aspect of what can happen if a stall is not handled correctly, spiral dives another. IMO a pilot will benefit a lot from an aerobatic course with a good instructor where out of the box handling can be experienced and understood in safety.
Pace