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Old 2nd Jun 2012, 17:15
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Dan Winterland
 
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Hi guys, greetings from the Fragrant Harbour. I've just seen this thread and have seen that the campaign the Hong Kong pilots unions started has been mentioned here. We were collecting names for a class action, but it has been dropped. It was quickly apparent that it was going to be too big an issue for the HK Aircrew Officer's Association to deal with, so we teamed up with BALPA and with backing from IFALPA to challenge the CAA's rulings.

The feasibility of some sort of action was looked at - as the rule was clearly nonesence. It came from JAR FCL 1-185 which stipulated that 7 years was the longest you could not hold an IR for without having to renew it with exams and a further test. This came in in 2005, but the the UK CAA failed to act on it until last year when they finally got round to publishing LASORS 2010 - a year late. The result was that if your IR had lapsed more than 7 years - tough luck!

BALPA took legal advice which gave the opinion that as JAR FCL was the guidance document, but produced by a body which no longer existed, the CAA had the power to interpret it as they saw fit. The only way to challenge their decision was through a judicial review which would be very lengthy, prohibitively expensive and would have less than an even chance of success. And by the time it came to court, EASA FCLs would be in place and either the problem would have gone away or a new set of more draconian regulations would have to be challenged. So the plan for some sort of action was dropped.

So this is the situation as we in HK have interpreted it. EASA FCL has been published (for UK pilots in CAP804 CAP 804: Flight Crew Licensing: Mandatory Requirements, Policy and Guidance | Publications | About the CAA ) and there is little change. The seven years rule translates across to EASA FCL and is stipulated as such in the new document. It refers to "the rating" and not "a rating" therefore we must assume it means a JAR IR. So it appears that if you have an old UK licence with an IR expired by 7 years, you're still stuffed. If your UK licence has a LPC/IR within 7 years, you have until 8 Apr 2014 to convert it to an EASA licence. To convert either, you will need an MPL type with an IR.

For those who hold UK issued JAR licences, they are automaticly considered to be EASA licences until expiry, when on renewal you will be issued with the new style document. The EASA licence doesn't expire but is only valid so long as a type rating, IR and medical are current. This means a type rating will have to be done every year.

However, EASA FCL has the provision to add foreign ratings to your licence. Quote: Section 4 Part Q Subpart 1

(4) Aeroplane or helicopter type ratings may be issued to holders of Part-FCL licences that comply with the requirements for the issue of those ratings established by a third country. Such ratings will be restricted to aircraft registered in that third country. This restriction may be removed when the pilot complies with the requirements in paragraph C.1 of Annex III to Part-FCL.


These will be annotated "for (insert country) registered aircraft only". The CAA have been written to asking them how they plan to implement this. No reply has yet, but as the CAA has no power to interpret EASA FCL, they will have to go back to putting foreign ratings on licences as they used to. This means we will be able to keep our JAR/EASA licences current while flying in Hong Kong. It was also enquired if this applied to national licences - if they are still valid.

Of course, most JAR member states did still allow foreign ratings to be added and this allowed their pilots to retain their licences - which is where the CAA stance became so unfair. However, as all EASA licences are the same and a European pilot has the right to chose which authority he is registered with (the crieria is where the medicals records are kept) I can see a lot of British pilots working overseas changing their licencing authorities if the CAA continue with their position. I am about to write to the Irish AA to find out how they will interpret the regs. A lot of us in HK will change authorities if we find a better one - when considering the CAA, this won't be difficult.


EASA FCL came into being on the 8th of April this year. EASA licences were supposed to be issued from 1st of July, but inevitably, this has slipped to the14th of September.

I must apologise for the lack of communication for those who contacted us on the aforementioned g-mail address. As the challenge was stillborn, the correspondance wasn't kept up.

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