E&C You donīt get the point!! A lot of the low cost airlines and the others that pay less, have flying for them a lot of pilots with high hours and a with lot of training and experience (including myself). Now, whether or not they are there because of there own choice or not, is up for discussion. Some are there because there former high paying airlines they used to work for, went bankrupt etc, etc. The issue is, where do you get high hour F/Oīs and if, not avialiable what do you do, with the oneīs that have low hours. Well, you have to put them through a good training program and demand rigorous SOPīs etc. So, the market turns out low hour F/O whom cannot get a job in the high paying airlines. They obvously look for a job in the lower paying airlines. The captains that are left redundant and have high hours also, turn to the airlines that are looking for them. And a lot of the demand comes precisely from those low paying (not all) airlines. Itīs a question of demand and offer this, dicates what happens in the market. Unless of course we wait for all the military pilots to become avialable and maybe they are not willing to work under these conditions?