A hatton round may be a slug but it is not by any means a 'solid slug'.
A solid slug is a single lead or metal projectile either rifled or smooth.
A slug shot is any shot designed as a single projectile but the term solid slug is defined by the above. Even the home office reconise it as that.
You can have rubber slugs but it's still not a solid slug.
As John R81 has shot, even the older steel single ball's are classed as a solid slug(known as pumpkin balls). Not great accuracy but rifled solid slugs are pretty good through even a smooth bore barrel and incredible through a rifled shotgun barrel.
(By the way, I envy you for being able to compete in practical pistol, missed out on that)!
we still have practical shotgun though!
(shooting solid slugs by the way
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Would of been amusing to see someone firing a .303 at flying birds!
Good gun, possibly the most uncomfortable thing I personally have ever fired though!
GSA, it probably would stop someone, but being defined by what the FBI class as able to stop a human attacker is another thing. They class that the minimum acceptable penetration should be 12 inches with 18 inches prefered.
Number 4 bid shot only produced 6.5 inch penetration.
Number 4 Birdshot:
Range: 3 yards
Shotgun: 18 inch barreled Remington 870 Marine Magnumn
Round: 12 gauge Remington Heavy Dove 1-1/8 oz #4 Birdshot
Gelatin: 9′x9′x19′ 10% ordinance gelatin block
Measured Average Permenant Cavity: 6.5 inches (16.5 cm)
Temporary Stretch Cavity: 0.0 to 6.0 inches (0.0 to 15.2 cm)
00 Buckshot:
Range: 3 yards
Shotgun: 18 inch barreled Remington 870 Marine Magnumn
Round: 12 gauge 2? Federal Classic 00 Buckshot (9 pellets)
Gelatin: 9′x9′x19′ 10% ordinance gelatin block
Measured Average Permanent Cavity Penetration: 22.3 inches (56.6cm) (3.4X further than #4 birdshot)
Bird shot should never be used for a home defense load, all bird shot loads lack both the momentum and penetration required to reliably stop a human attacker. This really shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone because bird shot is designed for lightweight game, if the pellets were capable of stopping a human it would devastate the small animal and not leave much to eat.
While the intentions of people who recommend bird shot are usually good they usually lack a fundamental understanding of terminal ballistics and unintentionally give horrible advice. They often site examples of bad guys being shot with bird shot breaking off an attack, the important thing to realize is that in almost all cases the attacker chose to stop the attack, he was not forced to stop.
Granted I wouldn't want any shot shot at me from 3 yards but the proof is there. Lots of myths about shotguns, to many Hollywood movies... You see them load a shell in to there shotguns and send someone flying the other side of the room missing limbs, absolute rubbish.
Show me a professional who successfully uses birdshot for human targets.
Bird shot is for birds not humans.
Buck shot is another story mind, this would be the choice in combat. And slug.
In the UK we don't have the same need for shotguns as home defense nor do we own them for that role, but many American gun specialist have looked into home defense loads with very clear results.
Either way, we have allowed the thread to go a bit off topic.
At least in the UK I wouldn't worry about shotgun shooters.
Compton in LA sounds like another story!
