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MFgeo · 1st July 2009, 16:48

Based on a quick scan of the cited standard, it does not appear to expand the scope of the data package on which the simulation is based. If true, then it is completely unclear that the resulting simulations are appropriate for upset training, since the behavior of the simulator may differ substantially from the behavior of the actual aircraft at the edges of the flight envelope. The simulator may extrapolate provided performance data, but any training based on these extrapolations is suspect. For example, see the last two pages of the article on "Airplane Upset Recovery, A Test Pilot's View" available at
SmartCockpit - Airline training guides, Aviation, Operations, Safety
There an Airbus chief test pilot states that the bulk of the data on which the simulations are based are obtained from quasi-static manoeuvers not far from the center of the flight envelope, and that "Simulators can be used for upset training, but the training should be confined to the normal flight envelope." It seems that there should also be an expansion of the flight test data provided for use in programming the simulations if pilots are going to learn appropriate upset recovery techniques from simulator training.

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MFgeo Probationary PPRuNer Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Texas, USA Age: 55 Posts: 1	Can the simulator provide appropriate upset training? Based on a quick scan of the cited standard, it does not appear to expand the scope of the data package on which the simulation is based. If true, then it is completely unclear that the resulting simulations are appropriate for upset training, since the behavior of the simulator may differ substantially from the behavior of the actual aircraft at the edges of the flight envelope. The simulator may extrapolate provided performance data, but any training based on these extrapolations is suspect. For example, see the last two pages of the article on "Airplane Upset Recovery, A Test Pilot's View" available at SmartCockpit - Airline training guides, Aviation, Operations, Safety There an Airbus chief test pilot states that the bulk of the data on which the simulations are based are obtained from quasi-static manoeuvers not far from the center of the flight envelope, and that "Simulators can be used for upset training, but the training should be confined to the normal flight envelope." It seems that there should also be an expansion of the flight test data provided for use in programming the simulations if pilots are going to learn appropriate upset recovery techniques from simulator training.