Just spent a very pleasant evening in Fort Lauderdale FL with a friend who had many thousands of hours on Easterns L.1011's. He loved it, but said you really had to have your ducks all lined up when taking off in a 500. It apparently went like hell, and, in those days full power was always used for take-off's. He said he sometimes saw 3,000 feet climb a minute passing 30,000ft!! Lovely aircraft in his opinion. 411a. Great to always read your posts.