Ok, but what I'm trying ot illustrate, that even the window to the world of BA engineering is hardly professional. Look at the Lufthansa site, very professional and reflects well on them. I don;t think their engineers designed that either. If this programme delivers as promised two of your own engineering employees stating the truth, it'll be powerful stuff. I'm very much looking forward to watching it, early signs are promising. Certainly the high interest this thread has been receiving from the BA Public relations dept in the guise of Carnage Matey! is a strong indication (he's actually admitted so)