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Old 5th July 2008, 00:29   #9 (permalink)
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The conversation in any part of Europe other than the UK is probably fairly simple as you will clearly not be IFR (having not arrived on an IFR clearance).
Even outside the UK the issue may be confusing. Personally, I've been in a situation twice (once as a student, once as a passenger in the back on another instruction flight) where the instructor requested the ILS 24 approach for Rotterdam and gotten it after some coordination with Amsterdam Approach. But the thing is, we were on a VFR flight plan in both cases. We never formally asked for an IFR flight plan to be opened. There was no indication whatsoever that our airplane was fully IFR capable, other than S/C on the FPL. There was no indication to ATC that the instructor was instrument rated. Yet both flights took us through the Amsterdam TMA, which is class A, without a formal declaration of SVFR. And in once case we actually went into IMC.

So to be honest, if you ask for something that's normally understood to be an IFR procedure, I think the controller is leaving it up to you to stay legal, but he will treat you as an IFR arrival, regardless of what's actually on the FPL.

Oh, and I don't think he'd be happy if you deviated from the procedure "due cloud".

(To be fair, the aircraft was IFR capable and the instructor, who was PIC on both flights, was instrument rated and even an instrument rating instructor, so we were legal, but ATC had no way of knowing this.)
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