| I really don't know what your talking about. In the US, the F/O goes through the exact same training as a Captain and is held to the exact same ATP standards, i.e. +/- 100 on alt, +/- 10 kts on speed, and +/- 10 degrees on heading. The ILS is flown to regular 200 DA and 100 about TDZE. etc etc. On the 747 it is true that the F/O is not required to be graded on a 2 eng approach, however, on all Prof Checks(PC), the FE must see a 2 eng approach, hence, the F/O must demonstrate a 2 eng approach, though it's not graded for him. It is true that in the US, the practice has been that F/O don't receive a TR on their license, however, with ICAO pushing the issue, the FAA now requires a SIC TR for F/O operating internationally to meet the ICAO requirement. All pax airlines were already typing F/O for day one on international ops, however, many 2nd and 3rd tier freight companies were not, and their reasoning has always been that if they type the F/O he/she will leave after getting the type for a better job. Xtwapilot |